‘The Government Will Not Save Our Nation’

That of course is completely ass backwards by yourself.

You see, there's 50 separate election going on. States run their own elections. States have R control. D control. And both in control in some fashion.
Each state has boards over seeing their very own elections. Boards, that in most cases, are set by each party within each state.

Now if you can point to all 50 states or even several states colluding to fraud the election, do so.

You'd be the 1st to do so. trump and his entire legal team could not do so. Because they have no evidence.

I can guarantee you,. the party/gov't that is leading the charge, who/whatever that may be in your mind, can NOT control all 50 states or ever some of those 50 states.

The only destruction of the election that took place was on Jan 6, 2021.
And you'd be correct, they are still trying to stop the democratic process of how we elect our repsresentatives.

 

The term 'The left' is used as a cinnamon for 'the Democratic Party' and does not mean Left Wing.

The Democratic Party does few things to the left of center, and some to the far right like flooding the country with cheap labor.

The Biden Administration is not on the right nor on the left, but is on the wrong.

Pouring two trillion dollars into the economy during a recovery and paying people to stay at home was the wrong thing to do at the time.

Etc.

 

And yet while in office Trump limited federal power even though not it’s spending and deferred much more to state and local governments. That is why we are going to bring him back

 

No you're not.

 

Except the government of the United States is not destroying the country from within. That is just political hyperbole and fear-mongering. Some states have destroyed woman's health because of the strict abortion laws with no exceptions while the Supreme Court took away the right to an abortion. Some states want to put government back in control of the bedroom, the libraries, the schools, etc so that propaganda would be more important than true education. And now, you have states playing with people's lives by shipping under false pretenses with false hope to places all in the name of a political stunt instead of talking about real immigration change. And those states tend to be Red, not blue or purple.

 

The government knows what the courts can and cannot do. What you are talking about is that you are not liking what the 11th Appeals Court said when it slapped Trump's legal team on the 100 or so Classified documents. Even they knew that those documents were classified and Trump does not have any reason to hold them as a private citizen.

 

Actually, Trump expanded the power of government. He just didn't care if it went after his political oppenents and cared enough that the same government, using the same rules, went after "his friends." We call this a banana republic mentality.

 

Well, that is complete BS. Let's see, we had a completely new disease, with no medical protocols to treat, highly infections, with some people showing signs of infection and some people not showing signs of infection, and was overwhelming our hospital systems that elective surgeries, which is 90% of all surgeries performed, had to be stopped because of the pandemic. And yet, you think that it was wrong, under Trump's watch and the CDC recommendations, to not have lockdowns? Go have got to be kidding me?

 

You're saying that because it is a long ways from obvious, and a country's demise comes in many many small bites over a long period of time. It is like the description of how businesses go bankrupt.. V e r y v e r y v e r y v e r y v e r y v e r y s l o w l y, and then really really really fast. Or, if you like analogies we are like the frog in the pot of water sitting on the not yet turned on stove.

 

That's not what I'm talking about at all. The 11th circuit decision is just a tiny microbe on the Democrat's path toward our country's demise.

 

if the government falls, it is because the majority of the people will ignore the institutions we have created, developed for over 250 years, and respected for over 250 years, all because it does not fit into the myopic political fantasy that the majority has created. When that happens, the government will fall, federal AND state, and then it will be everyone person for themselves. At that point is where you will really, really, really, need to worry because you won't have anyone to fall back on when the groups who are bigger than you, have more guns than you, and the moxie to use those guns on you actually come after you without any premises of protection of the law.

 

You are confirming my suspicions that you don't like how the courts are ruling based on your myopic political agenda. The 11th Appeals Court ruled unanimously, with two Trump appointees and one Democrat. And based on the filings of the Defense team they had no choice.

 

Limited federal power. That's hilarious.
You MAGA folks may bring him back, but he'll never win another National election. After stealing gov't documents, I can't believe MAGA people are so weak on crime.

 

The 11th circuit court had 2 trump appointees uphold the constitution. That you want to call the the dem's path is your fault.
Why do you not like the constitution?
Why do you want a group that wanted to end the democratic election process?
That's the party trying to destroy the country.

 

This is all true, but I should clarify my beliefs. When I say the demise and destruction of the country I mean as we know it -- as in constitutional republic. The demise of the constitutional republic might lead to the literal destruction you describe, but it doesn't always have to.

 

However, this has nothing to do with my belief that the country is on a downward trajectory pushed in great part, mindfully or inadvertently, by the Democrat party.

 

You only wish the country is spiraling downward, in FACT, These United States have never been better positioned for prosperity.

 

Based on what?

 

Our natural resources, our location, our projected workforce…

 

That is a wonderful thought but the Republic has been just an illusion for quite some time now, at least since our illustrious leaders gave us the USA Patriot Act, maybe even earlier than that.

 

Our location and natural resources have basically always existed, so I am not sure that those should count in a calculation about now being the time we are best poised for prosperity, and I am not sure what about our projected workforce that you are counting as some sort of advantage over any other time in history.

I dont care if we are talking about 4 years ago when a Republican was President, right now with a Democrat being president, or 10 years from now when who knows will be President, I think it is not credible to claim that right now we are best poised for prosperity vs any time in our history.

I would point to the 1950's when the industrial revolution was in full swing, war-torn Europe had its manufacturing capability decimated, and we had enormous quality advantages over any remaining manufacturing in existence at that time. We were able to pay exorbitant wages to non-skilled labor and pass that cost on to the rest of the world creating a thriving lower and middle class, while simultaneously having our companies exert absolute dominance over the entire world as they recovered from the ravages of WW2.

To compare that time period to today and pretend as if somehow we are better positioned now just seems like a hollow claim. It feels like it is only being said because a Democrat is in office. In truth, I also dont think that this is the second best time period for prosperity behind the 1950's either, but to discredit the claim, pointing to the 1950's just happens to be the easiest time period to illustrate superiority. I havent even bothered to touch upon the emergence of China or the highest debt to GDP ratio in history.

 

They do count, we are at a great advantage over the rest of the world.

 

Hmmm. I am fine with allowing this last assertion of yours to go unchallenged, leaving you with the last word on the topic.

We have both had our say. I feel as if my argument is far more persuasive, but the reader can decide for themselves.

 

I don't think anyone is advocating NO government, it's rigorously limited small government we want.