Matt Gaetz, under investigation for possible sex trafficking, was among 20 Republicans to vote again

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So what? Voting against a law that intends to do something good is not always a bad thing. "Intend" is the key word. There might be a downside to it, or just because it feels like a good idea on the surface doesn't actually make it actually makes logical sense and is reasonable overall.

    I think more likely than not (as you probably already well know) the two do not have anything to do with each other.

    Do we really need another law? I think the existing laws are already more than adequate to address these things.

    Maybe it was the right thing to do to oppose a feel-good law that wouldn't really do anything more.
     
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    So, you have no issue with a trump congress lackey under investigation for sex trafficking voting against the 22 yr old law put in by real republicans do combat sex trafficking.
     
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    By all means, give us the downside to this 22 yr old law that GWB and the Republicans passed.

    And the vote was 401 for, 20 against. 1 of the 20 is under investigation for sex trafficking. The thread topic.
     
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    Nasty predators get caught and convicted. That could be a "glass half empty" for some people.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're just being emotional.

    Try thinking with logic.

    You know as well as I do that it would not "legalize" human trafficking even if this specific law ceased to exist.
     
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    There's great pleasure in watching death by a thousand cuts.
    Mark Short was Pence's top aide and his long time Christo-fascist buddy.
     
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    I read this a few times before responding because it hit me right between the eyes. However, even after multiple readings, the same shot kept hitting me.

    Remember when McConnell grew a pair for a few minutes after the Capitol riot? He was clearly outraged at the time and said that Trump was morally responsible for what went down. Later, there were reports from some of his constituents with one of them basically saying "We didn't send him to Washington to do whatever he said he was doing. We sent him to represent us." That is exactly what hit me every time I reread your post and that tells us quite a bit about the people we live around.

    I honestly can't imagine supporting Trump had I been a supporter prior to the Capitol riot and I can't imagine supporting Gaetz or any of the others on that list after a vote like that. That seems like one that should be a slam dunk for 100% of them.
     
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    The double-standard, is clearly your own. If this is not the case, please support your contention, by producing a current thread, in which someone on the Left is calling, or supporting a quote which calls, "Conservatives" or Republicans, or the Right, at large, people who do nothing but lie, and whose real goal is only about creating an authoritarian police state, as your OP had stated.

    I won't be holding my breath.
     
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    I don't know about that (highlighted) due to reporting that Pence didn't trust where he would have been taken.

    Pence speaking up to just Trump throughout just made him another enabler of Trump as he and his cohorts continued spreading delusions and lies and his 2022 speaking out is self-serving because he had/has his eye on 2024, so much too little and much too late.

    If he had a spine he would have put his fear of Trump and his crazy "stolen election" supporters/voters aside and addressed the American people directly about his constitutional electoral duty long before Jan 6th.because he knew back in mid-December that it was totally illegal for him not to follow electoral laws.
     
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    Manafort was right in convincing Trump that Pence was his guy for getting the Evangelical voters on board and the POWER-hungry Pence knew that becoming VP was the only way that he might get to the Oval Office.
    Pence's brand of Christianity has an answer/excuse for every reprehensible thing imaginable a political allie says or does when they're going to somehow benefit.
     
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    It was not really off topic, nor a veer into being "about," you. Hawgsalot had challenged someone's comment:

    hawgsalot said: ↑

    Divisive much? Hopefully you understand how intellectually stupid it is to say, "trump supporters and QAnon are the ones who are the pedophile group."
    About the OP, I'm digging into this and want to know more about it for sure.
    [End]

    So I was checking his bias, to see if he felt the same way about a post (in fact an entire thread) that was every bit as "divisive," and which even more comprehensively stereotyped people on the Left.

    DEFinning said: ↑
    If you believe that is the case, do you likewise feel the same when it is a poster on the RIGHT, claiming that it is the Democrats/Progressives/Left, whose ranks are filled with groomers and perverts: that is, that the poster is being divisive, and intellectually stupid?

    This is from a SNIP, which comprises a current OP, from one Right- Winger. Divisive, in your book?
    [End]


    Your post had been nothing more than an example. In a subsequent post to hawgsalot, I'd used other posts, from a thread by Pycchia.


    Hawgsalot has yet to confirm that he finds any of these, by posters on the Right, to be, like the post to which he'd here had objections, as divisive, or as painting just as stupidly, with an overly broad brush.


    Edit: So that would directly contradict your theory, that it is the thin-skinned Liberals, who are easily upset, but those on the Right who are tough enough to "take it."
     
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    This is the first I've heard that reasoning. He refused to leave the Capitol because of his sworn duty to complete the certification. Either way, he didn't get leave our lawmakers behind (unlike Trump).
    I concur. You can check my posting history on that. I don't really care to hear all the details we should have heard before somebody got a big deal.
    I don't know why he didn't do that but it might have something to do with the fact that he was well aware that his statements wouldn't have been believed. This is evidenced by the fact that he has gone on record saying that Trump is wrong and he didn't have the authority to overturn or not accept the state's final numbers.

    All of the people complicit in hiding the magnitude of Trump's disconnect with reality are a disgrace and embarrassment to our country. Had they done the right thing, none of us would be sitting here concerned about the monster getting back in. If he walks on this, there is no point for any of us to believe in the justice system or the election process because he is setting the stage right now to steal the 2024 election. One of his last acts as POTUS was to start prepping on whom he would get revenge if re-elected. That, alone, makes him unfit for the position.
     
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    Hear! Hear!
     
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    As you said, they are there, elected, because that is the type of folks that live in that district.
    Or those folks who voted for them were blindly bamboozled. If they win reelection, then that means that is how those folks in those districts live.
     
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    Americans have learned to ignore late election cycle partisan smears.
     
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    There's quite a few on the R side that have made laws that will allow the state's legislatures to over turn elections and over rule the people's votes in their state.
     
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    I know he felt it was his path to the WH as President.
    As it turns out, anyone who doesn't solely kiss the butt of trump, will be banned from politics ever again. Or the attempt will be made.
     
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    LOL, sure they have.
    I guess you don't read all the posts created here everyday.
     
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    LOL! There are very few ordinary American voters on this forum, and when partisans here post election cycle smears they know it is all sound and fury. No one takes that nonsense seriously.
    Certainly not you. ;-)
     
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    Yeah, just saw that too.... it was out there that Gaetz had sought a pardon, but I think we all assumed it was around 1/6, even though Pretty Boy didn't seem to be super involved. This makes more sense....

    Sort of amazed he didn't get it, considering the man giving the pardons out like lollipops at the dentists office...
     
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    Why should I care?

    Whenever evidence proves insufficient for prosecution of a suspect, that is precisely what should happen.

    If anyone is screeching, "Lock him up! Lock him up!", he needs to sublimate his emotions and respect the law.
     
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    You cared enough to call him a degenerate. Are you going to apologize?

    "The prosecutors said the case was undermined by a lack of credibility demonstrated by two key witnesses against Gaetz, including the 17-year-old girl whom Gaetz was alleged to have had a sexual relationship with.

    The other witness whose testimony may not be considered dependable is Seminole County’s former tax collector, Joel Greenberg. In 2021, Greenberg pled guilty to an assortment of charges including engaging in online financial transactions to pay for prostitution involving “him and others.” Greenberg agreed to cooperate and give information to federal authorities, which sparked a subsequent investigation into Gaetz’ conduct after officials encountered evidence potentially implicating him in sex trafficking."
    https://www.nationalreview.com/news...king&utm_campaign=newstrack&utm_term=29152347
     
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    The partisan defense of Matt Gaetz is disgusting.
    He is a degenerate. No apologiies.
     

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