Russian Defense lines collapsing in Donetsk Oblast.

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  1. Phyxius

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    Untrained, inexperienced soldiers thrown onto the battlefield aren't capable of much but dying.
     
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    My first assignment as an Officer was XO/Commander of a Basic Training Company... best job I ever had since Drill Sergeants are the cream of the crop. Later, I Commanded an Artillery Battery where training and maintenance were most of what we did. Later, I was an O/C at the National Training Center. The US Army concentrates on training. And rightly so. I had the opportunity to return to my roots with an Iraqi Basic Training Company as a contractor in later years.
     
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    You really don't understand much about war do you. Americans: short sighted, small picture.
     
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    Yes I do. I am a West Point graduate, Commanded units in the US and in Europe, seen combat in Iraq and elsewhere, retired as an LTC. And YOU?
    As someone who has actually experienced combat, let me explain how your mind works when you actually are getting shot at. Training takes over. Your actions become automatic. If you take the time to look around, think about it, figure it out, identify options and decide what to do... you're already dead. Properly trained, you will simply react. You've done it before (under less stressful conditions), but you recognize what is happening and already know what to do. This extends beyond individual Soldier actions. When Captain McMasters (later General McMasters) took his small task force and decimated an entire Iraqi Division in Desert Storm, everyone wanted to know how he did it. When asked, he simply said, "I've done this before... at the National Training Center".
     
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    When you understand The Art of War then let me know.
     
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    The Art of War is a major object of study at West Point... we studied it constantly.
    So far you have insulted me and then played high and mighty as the source of all knowledge about war, but you have yet to say anything specific about what your difficulty is. I said that throwing troops into battle with no training will get them killed. Can you stop with endless insults and discuss the issue? Explain what the heck you are talking about without the insults?
     
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  8. Esau

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    Stating that you have no clue about the art of war is not an insult. The art of war is a very complex matter, it's understandable that you and many others like you are unaware of the issues involved, like you assuming conscripts are not only going onto the frontline untrained but going onto the frontline at all.

    The first rule of war is being able to discern the propaganda from reality.
     
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    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is fantastic discovery! You discovered it or you only quote an an unknown genius?
     
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    I will say it again... I have been a Soldier most of my life. Do you know what West Point is? I have been in combat. Have YOU?

    And you still seem unable to say what problem you have with the statement that untrained soldiers will die in battle and be of of little value. Can you please... please address the issue? Please?

    No more saying about how stupid everyone else is and how smart you are... ok? Please... address the issue... or... can you?
     
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    Enough about me. Combat is a mere fraction of the art of war.

    Please provide intel about conscript deployment, this will address point 1. Propaganda.
     
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    What is your first language? I'm struggling to make much sense of your English tbh
     
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    Ok... so you have insults and ego but no desire to identify what you are talking about or discuss it... we get it.
     
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    you assumed the conscripts were not only going onto the frontline but going in untrained. I'm simply flabbergasted that someone who has allegedly been in the army would imagine this the case. Maybe that's what they did in your regiment lol.
     
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    They are untrained, poorly equipped, and they definitely will be on the frontlines. Putin does nothing but lie. Always.
     
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    "Conscripts" are civilians that are drafted or otherwise compelled to join the military. RESERVISTS are trained but not an active duty. Conscripts are untrained, newly brought into the military and are NOT RESERVISTS. The setbacks that Russia is experiencing now will not be solved by bringing untrained civilians into the military to be clerks, linguists, veterinarians or lawyers. Putin needs combat troops NOW.

    Your constant insults like your "flabbergasted" remark in this last post seem to never end. Are you unable to have a discussion in an adult manner without such comments How old are you?
     
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    Enough about me.

    It appears you are looking through a narrow lens at a small picture you have painted for yourself. This is assuming you have no intel on the deployment of conscripts.

    You're merely engaging in propaganda. I'm not going to waste my time with you any longer as it's clear you refuse to engage in discussion about the art of war.

    Rule 1. Learn to discern propaganda from reality.
     
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  18. Esau

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    You make it seem like being a soldier is more complex than brain surgery. Why do you think they call them grunts?
     
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    You are so vague as to to be totally unintelligible.

    What the hell are you talking about?

    It seems you don't know either.
     
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    Don't struggle, everyone will struggle to understand what I wrote. We all know and envy your knowledge of history, war, politics and who knows what else. Just stay here and teach us about true historical facts, where Sun Tzu was wrong in his theory and about institutional racism of the Western universities.
    Esau - for me you are even bigger Stable Genius than President Trump. Botswana people must be very happy that you are their friend! If you decide to write a book, I will be the first to buy it, no matter how much it will cost.
     
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    American "grunts" can do the traditional work of an Infantryman. In addition, they can operate complicated terminally guided anti-tank weapons, complex navigational systems like GCCS (Global Command and Control System), sophisticated night vision systems, and more. The days of screaming spear chuckers are long gone.
     
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    I'm asking how you came to the conclusion you have about conscripts deployment. Do you have hard intel or is it propaganda?

    It's a simple request
     
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    Do you want me to post my reply in polish so it's easier for you to understand. Ithink you struggle badly with my English, no offense.
     
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    So everyone now has there own anti tank weapons. Unreasonable.
     
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    I have no problem understanding your writing, and if I am correct you have a problem understanding my posts, but if it easier for you, you can answer in Polish, Hebrew, Spanish or Russian.
     
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