Herschel Walker Paid for Girlfriend’s Abortion, Report Says

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    If any person bound to service or labor in any of the United States shall escape into another State, he or she shall not be discharged from such service or labor, in consequence of any regulations subsisting in the State to which they escape, but shall be delivered up to the person justly claiming their service or labor.


    Cool, WHERE does it say Northern states must do anything? Where did the federal Gov't restrict it?
     
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    If you really meant that, then you'd be arguing that this part of the Constitution (which is STILL ****ING THERE) guarantees a Constitutional right to race-based chattel slavery. Go ahead. Let's see you defend that.
     
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    Wtf are you talking about? The 13th amendment abolished slavery in all forms except imprisonment.
     
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    Cool, And what did the federal Gov't do to restrict it? What about the compromise of 1850, what did the federal Gov't do to restrict it?

    CONfederate states were TRAITORS
     
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    That would be when the Supreme Court ruled that they had to. Or at the very least could not obstruct. Which they did and CONTINUED to do even after the scotus ruled against them because their proxy the federal government refused to enforce the decisions.
     
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    Yet the clause you are talking about is still part of the Constitution and was still invoked in court decisions well after the 13th Amendment. So it is impossible, by your own admission, to argue that the clause guaranteed a right to race-based chattel slavery. Which is something the Confederates also realized . . . and "corrected" in their own Constitution.
     
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    As I just pointed out the federal government not only refused to do their job as well as evidenced by the plethora of requests for returned slaves that were either rejected or denied.

    But the federal government ALSO refused to follow a direct order of unconstitutionality from the scotus as well.
     
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    It’s part of the constitution because it still applies to prisoners. That’s why one state can’t simply absolve a prisoner of another state of his crimes by governor dictate.
     
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    None of that presents absolute facts, but I think you know that. Remember the Steele Dossier? It was absolute fact until it wasn't. Not bringing Trump into this beyond the simple reminder that proclaimed facts are not always absolute facts.
     
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    Then it, by itself, never justified race-based chattel slavery. By your own admission. I appreciate you finally understanding that simple concept.
     
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    Oh weird, what did Andy Jackson say about SCOTUS again?


    “JOHN MARSHALL HAS MADE HIS DECISION; NOW LET HIM ENFORCE IT.”
     
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    False. It by itself most certainly did. Because it referred to any type of labor which was constitutionally allowable. Which at that time included ANY type of slavery. Slavery is not constitutionally allowable outside of prison so it no longer covers slavery.

    But your claims are ridiculous. The Supreme Court even ruled you were wrong on several occasions.
     
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    According to whom?


    But yes the Mueller investigation into Russian interference did turn up 37 indictments
    https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the...resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/
     
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    Lol yeah but the federal government, specifically the executive, is CONSTITUTIONALLY OBLIGED to enforce them. That’s their job. And if they refuse then they’re the traitors to the constitution.
     
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    Which would imply that it STILL justifies race-based chattel slavery to this day. But the Confederates you are defending didn't buy this bull **** argument. They knew the foundation of the Constitution actually COMBATTED their lust for race-based chattel slavery. They KNEW that their position required the continual assumption that black people aren't actually people. The moment the courts started realizing that black people are actually humans, they knew their institution was done and dusted. They ****ing said so. And it was the main reason they split and formed a new country . . . a new country FOUNDED on the concept that black people were subhuman. Which they stated in their own words. Repeatedly.
     
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    Democrats way to steal your money through taxes and inflation, and make you pay more for gasoline.

    It means people would rather vote for hypocrites than Democrats.
     
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    No you’re just blatantly wrong.

    The fugitive slave clause was applicable to ANY version of legal servitude. There was no exception for anyone. Black, white, yellow, brown everybody could be slaves. This isn’t even a discussion. The SCOTUS ruled on it several times.

    Therefore when the northern states and their proxy refused to uphold the fugitive slave clause, THEY were the ones being traitorous to the agreement which was made. As such the southern states had EVERY right to withdraw from the agreement.

    If the northern states weren’t going to uphold their obligations why should the southern ones be expected to uphold theirs?

    There was a legal process to remove the fugitive slave clause from the constitution. The northern states NEVER EVEN ATTEMPTED IT.
     
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    So the US should declare war on Texas and Florida for trying to get involved in immigration? You know the federal Gov't is in charge of that right?



    The Fugitive Slave Law clearly favored the slave holders. Anyone caught hiding or assisting freedom seekers faced stiff penalties. United States marshals had to actively seek freedom seekers and return them to their holders. If a marshal refused, the federal government would fine the officer $1,000. African Americans could not present evidence to a federal commissioner appointed to hear a case and determine an African American's status as a slave or free person. The slave holder was responsible for paying the commissioner. If the commissioner ruled in favor of the white man, the commissioner received ten dollars. If he ruled against the slaveholder, the commissioner earned only five dollars. Many abolitionists claimed that this portion of the Fugitive Slave Law was a means to bribe the commissioners.

    Between 1850 and 1860, 343 African Americans appeared before federal commissioners. Of those 343 people, 332 African Americans were forced into slavery in the South. The commissioners allowed only eleven people to remain free in the North. Thousands of African Americans fled to Canada. Some people who had been free for their entire lives left the country. Abolitionists challenged the Fugitive Slave Law's legality in court, but the United States Supreme Court upheld the law's constitutionality in 1859.
    https://ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Fugitive_Slave_Law_of_1850
     
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    The moment someone in the courts realized that black humans were humans, none of this would hold. Your entire argument rests on the assumption that black humans aren't humans, just as the Confederates assumed . . . and were terrified people would realize was a false assumption.
     
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    That's what you define as terrorism, now?...lol

    How do you define Warnock?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/freebe...ildren-failing-to-pay-childcare-expenses/amp/

    Any man that won't take care of his kids is a piece of ****.
     
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    Lol and are you under the impression only 350 slaves were reported as needing to be sent back home?
     
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    Again you keep trying to make this about black people. Every race was enslaved. Every single one. Without exception. Every race in America was enslaved.
     
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    @ShadowX

    Here's what the VP of the Confederacy had to say about the "old" Constitution and the most important "improvements" made to his new Constitution. I encourage you to read and learn:

    "But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew."

    Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."
     
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    This is untrue, and the Confederates SPECIFIED black slavery as their focus anyway.
     
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    Btw your argument doesn’t work. Why? Because the SCOTUS had ruled that the federal government could no longer require an incoming territory to be non-slaveholding as a prerequisite of entry.

    The makeup of that court wouldn’t have changed for 20 years. And within that 20 years 11 states entered the union. MOST of whom had slavery before they required to remove it for statehood. Those states would have entered as slave states. Making the slave states more powerful than the northern states.
     
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