Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. Mitt Ryan

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    If God did not send His only begotten Son Jesus then we'd all be condemned and punished for our sins and be separated from God forever.

    I gave a more thorough explanation on this page, post #967 responding to GraspingforPeace's post. So if you care to read it you know where to go but if not so be it.

    Ok dairy thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.
     
  2. Mitt Ryan

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    Correction: I gave a more thorough explanation on previous page, post #967 responding to GraspingforPeace's post. So if you care to read it you know where to go but if not so be it.

    :salute:
     
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    Now dairy it's been an established fact that you have misinterpreted numerous of times. Again it's because your daddy has blinded your mind, he is the one giving you the runaround.

    So are you saying that your daddy keeps all things to his son satan jr? So tell us jr what are some of these things?

    Ok jr thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it even though it was one of your crazy, silly type post but I made a commitment to answer even crazy, silly types of posts as long as they were coherent enough for me to respond to them.
     
  4. Mitt Ryan

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    Well throughout mankind's history, never mind the Church, to be frank has not been a very pretty one. Look at all the wars throughout history that have been fought, the miseries, the sufferings as a result of all these warfare. The sinful nature of mankind in full display throughout history, never ending, a continuous repeating cycle. We still haven't learned anything from our dreadful past. We now have a murderous lunatic tyrant fighting a senseless war in the country of Ukraine.

    Sometimes I look back and wished our first parents Adam and Eve had obeyed God and not eaten the forbidden fruit. But what's done is done and thank Almighty God He has given us a Savior in the Lord Jesus Christ.

    We Read in Scripture:

    23 For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard. 24 Yet God, in his grace, freely makes us right in his sight. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. Romans 3:23-24 NLT

    Ok trev, thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.
     
  5. Mitt Ryan

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    Quite the contrary. Your daddy does not want one to believe that, well obviously we know now your daddy has fooled you into not believing it.

    Well actually it was because of illiteracy. You've got to understand most people weren't educated, weren't able to read or write in those early days of mankind's history. So stories/messages were passed down through oral tradition until an educated fella by the name of Moses who was able to read/write recorded the accounts.

    Ok dairy thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it and make you aware now of what you weren't aware of before.
     
  6. Mitt Ryan

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    Relax jr...I hope 8 years ago when you made this post you didn't bust a nerve or two...lol... your twin brother thinks there might be janitors stationed in heaven because he thinks there is mess there. So I told him janitors will be at the other place.

    Wait...did you take me serious?...Yes, you did because you have a bad habit of misinterpreting what others say. You don't know when they're joking or serious or anything in between...lol

    Yes, that's the dairy alias jr I'm familiar with...lol

    It's just evidence that a 100 or so have reading comprehension problems...so sad!

    Since I follow/present what's written in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible which is the Word of God I speak truth, because I'm essentially reiterating what God has revealed to us in His Best Selling Book of All-Time.

    We believers know that God is not a man so He does not lie.

    We Read in Scripture:

    19 God is not a man, so he does not lie. He is not human, so he does not change his mind. Has he ever spoken and failed to act? Has he ever promised and not carried it through? Numbers 23:19 NLT

    Then explain why you atheists/agnostics/former Christians misinterpret the Holy Bible so much? I just gave you Scripture telling you that God is not a man so He does not lie. I'll tell you why, it's because your daddy, your god, has infiltrated your minds and blinded your minds.

    We Read in Scripture:

    4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God. 5 You see, we don’t go around preaching about ourselves. We preach that Jesus Christ is Lord, and we ourselves are your servants for Jesus’ sake. 2 Corinthians 4:4-5 NLT

    Ok dairy, Alpha thanks for your posts, it was a pleasure for me to respond to them.
     
  7. Mitt Ryan

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    No dairy, the Holy Bible is not satan's word, it is the Word of God. Your daddy has not authored any books, he's busy prowling around looking for new victims to devour.

    We Read in Scripture:

    8 Stay alert! Watch out for your great enemy, the devil. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour. 1 Peter 5:8 NLT

    I know I'm doing a fine job when I reiterate what God has revealed to us in His Best Selling Book of All-Time by presenting Scriptures from His Holy Bible.

    Ok dairy thanks for you post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.
     
  8. Mitt Ryan

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    That's true, but I wouldn't use the word "raided" the more appropriate word would be "cleansed" Cleansed because God was punishing the evilness, the wickedness, the disobedience of the people living in these places. So God justifiably punished these people...men, women, young and old, even the animals were killed.

    We Read in Scripture:

    20 When the people heard the sound of the rams’ horns, they shouted as loud as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the Israelites charged straight into the town and captured it. 21 They completely destroyed everything in it with their swords—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, goats, and donkeys. Joshua 6:20-21 NLT

    Well yes, if you or I or anyone else for that matter hired someone to kill another person we would be just as culpable as the killer that's the law as we know it for us mortals.

    Nope...this is where you've crossed the line. God did not murder anyone. What He did was punish these people for their sins & disobedience and justifiably so.

    God is sovereign over all of life and can take it whenever He sees fit. God, and God alone, can give life and God alone has the right to take it whenever He so chooses.
    In fact, He ultimately takes every person's life at death. It is not our life to begin with but God's. While it is wrong for us to take a life, except in instances of capital punishment, war, and self-defense, this does not mean that it is wrong for God to do so.

    We recognize this when we accuse some person or authority who takes human life as "playing God." God is under no obligation to extend anyone's life for even another day. How and when we die is completely up to Him.

    An argument could be made that it would have been cruel for God to take the lives of all the adults except the infants and children. Without the protection and support of their parents, the infants and small children were likely to face death anyway due to starvation. The chances of survival for an orphan in the ancient Near East were not good.

    And most importantly, God may have provided for the salvation for those infants who would not have otherwise attained salvation if they had lived into adulthood. We must remember that the Canaanites and others were a barbarous and evil culture. If those infants and children had lived into adulthood, it is very likely they would have turned into something similar to their parents. If all infants and young children who die before an age of moral accountability go straight to heaven (as we Christians believe), then those children are in a far better place than if God had allowed them to live and grow to maturity in a depraved culture.

    Ok Gift thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.
     
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    This has nothing to do with the Most High deciding to take a life - What is this nonsense - once again the irrational logic and deceit that of dark path adherent comes through. This is about Israelits murdering people - and ethnically cleansing the land


    "Cleansed" - is a good word . as it well describes the objective of Israelites .. as per the commands of YHWH -- a xenophobic flip flopping genocidal God with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics.

    In previous conversations you stated that the land was not being "Cleansed" --- now you contradict your previous web of deceit claiming "Cleanse" is the appropriate word

    You are right about one thing .. this Flip Flopping illogical xenophobic genocidal God YHWH sure liked to punish humans for even the most slight offence .. these punishments however were not consistant .. all over the map .. making no sense half the time .. these humand damned if they do .. damned if they don't.. YHWH setting up traps.. as this trickster God is wont to do .. hand in hand with Brother Satan.
     
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    Why are you so hell bent on blaspheming God in these heretical rants .. usurping the position of Jesus - putting words in God's mouth .. the unforgivable abomination.

    So all those born before prior Jesus are forever separated from God according to Brother Mitt - but following the Idol of Brother Mitt - you can escape punishment for evil deeds.

    Feel free to chime in Injeun .. curious what you have to say about the heresy of Brother Mitt .. you being guilty of similar hearsy .. but in a slightly different way .. somewhat more enlightened .. but still caught in the web of which you can not extracate self.

    and Brother Todd - don't be hiding on us now :hiding::hiding: ... the Truth awaits :hungry:
     
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    Sorry Alpha but I cannot answer your fist question, obviously because I'm in no position to answer what only God can answer.

    However I can answer your 2nd question because God has revealed to us in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible about the fate of people who are of non belief. If you go to your death all the while maintaining a stance of non belief then you will be separated from God and be punished for your sins in hell. I will present a few passages from Scripture below, there are many more but these will suffice:

    The Narrow Gate

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,
    13 "You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. 14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it." Matthew 7:13-14 NLT

    8 “But cowards, unbelievers, the corrupt, murderers, the immoral, those who practice witchcraft, idol worshipers, and all liars—their fate is in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8 NLT

    8 in flaming fire, bringing judgment on those who don’t know God and on those who refuse to obey the Good News of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with eternal destruction, forever separated from the Lord and from his glorious power. 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 NLT

    5 But I’ll tell you whom to fear. Fear God, who has the power to kill you and then throw you into hell.[a] Yes, he’s the one to fear. Luke 12:5 NLT

    4 For God did not spare even the angels who sinned. He threw them into hell,[a] in gloomy pits of darkness, where they are being held until the day of judgment. 2 Peter 2:4 NLT

    13 The sea gave up its dead, and death and the grave[a] gave up their dead. And all were judged according to their deeds. 14 Then death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death. 15 And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:13-15 NLT

    Ok Alpha thanks for you post, you asked so I responded by presenting a few passages from Scripture to answer your question.
     
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  12. Mitt Ryan

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    No Gift, nothing is according to me, you've been here long enough to know that. Aren't you learning anything here?...I guess not. You got to start taking notes so you won't missed anything of vital importance.

    Anyway nothing is according to me, I present Scripture from the Holy Bible which is the Word of God. You took what I said out of context. I also said what's below on this page. Now if you read my thorough explanation on the previous page post #967 you will see what God told us in Scripture as far as what was the fate of those who lived prior to Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ.

    Also I mentioned what God would do to people who are living today in remote places in the world who have never received the Good News of the Gospels. Now for reference regarding this one can refer to Romans 2:12-16.

    When you don't pay attention, don't keep notes, you say things that are falsehoods Gift. Or could it be that you are deliberately spewing out lies & deception like the father of all lies & deception...ole lucifer himself. Yikes, he is not a good role model to follow Gift.

    Ok Gift thanks for you post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it to correct your falsehood done by either ignorance or perhaps willfully/deliberately by you to spew out lies & deception.
     
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    " falsehood done by either ignorance or perhaps willfully/deliberately by you to spew out lies & deception"

    Projection Brother Mitt - of your failings onto others as demonstrated by your words above.. claiming those born before Jesus are punished for sins .. separated from God forever .. unless you have some other means of salvation .. and if so .. why would that not work after the coming of Jesus ..

    Either way you are caught in the snare of your own deception-- unable to deal your own claims on behalf of God and Jesus.

    Account for this behavoir Brother Mitt - Pretending to be Judge - Jury - usurping the Position of the Logos - the one true emmisary between man and God ..is not you Brother Mitt.
     
  14. Mitt Ryan

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    You know of course I'm going to say the Christian Religion. First let me present this article below. Then my explanation will follow.

    Whoa!...exceeds 4 thousand! And only one is right but if you're a pluralist you believe they're all accepting beliefs because you are not sure which one is right...lol

    Let me real quick point out, aside from the biblical arguments for God's existence we also have logical arguments which consists of ontological, teleological, cosmological, and moral arguments.

    Question: Have you ever asked yourself, "Why do we have something (things in existence) rather than nothing? In other words how did we and everything else get here?...I'm sure most people have asked themselves this question. And I believe Our Creator Almighty God put us here for a purpose. Here is a very simple argument for God's existence.

    1. Something exists (You cannot deny you exist because you have to exist in order to deny your own existence...which is self-defeating... so this first premise is true...which is so obvious).

    2. You cannot get something from nothing (No one has ever demonstrated that something can come from nothing because from nothing, nothing comes unless they change the definition of what "nothing" is, so this second premise is also true).

    3. Therefore, a necessary and eternal Being exists (Therefore, the conclusion naturally follows...an eternal Being is responsible for everything that exists).

    We have scientific evidence that points to the fact that the universe had a beginning. Renowned German-born theoretical physicist Albert Einstein’s theory of relativity means that the universe had a beginning and was not eternal as he had previously believed (Einstein was originally a pantheist). His theory proved that the universe is not a cause, but instead one big effect...something brought it into existence.

    And so because the only two sources of eternality are an eternal universe (denied by scientific evidence) or an eternal Creator, the only logical conclusion is that God exists.

    Now, this conclusion says nothing about what kind of God exists, but with one swath, it invalidates out all pantheistic religions because their worldviews say that the universe is God and is eternal. And this is false. So Buddhism, Jainism, Hinduism and all other pantheistic religions are ruled out as valid belief systems. Might as well include atheism too for not being a valid belief system because they believe the universe is eternal but not quite like the pantheists, there is no god in the universe for atheists, it's a godless eternal universe for them.

    A belief system must comport to each other and not be contradictory. So let me bring up the religion of Buddhism, that I've already mentioned above to not be a valid belief system, to illustrate their contradictory belief system.

    The objective/goal of Buddhism is to rid yourself of all desires. Yet, you must have a desire to rid yourself of all desires, which is a contradictory, an illogical principle. So Buddhism can never be a belief system for me, I have no desire for it, my desire was to find the most logical belief system, Buddhism being illogical was ruled out easily.

    So after I eliminated atheism and pantheism we have Christianity, Islam and Judaism remaining.

    All three of these religions have a book they claim is a revelation from God. They all can't be true only one can be true. Judaism and Islam both claim the New Testament of the Bible is untrue and both deny that Jesus is God incarnate meaning God in human flesh.

    Fact is Christianity has no match from any other belief system on earth with the mountains of evidence that exist for it.

    From the voluminous number of ancient manuscripts, to the very early dating of the documents written during the lifetime of the eyewitnesses (some only 15 years after Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ’s death), to the multiplicity of the accounts...nine authors in 27 books of the New Testament, to the archaeological evidence....none of which has ever contradicted a single claim the New Testament makes...to the fact that the apostles went to their deaths claiming they had seen Our Lord Jesus in action and that He had come back from the dead, (resurrected) Christianity sets the bar in terms of providing the proof to back up its claims. The New Testament’s historical authenticity...that it conveys a truthful account of the actual events as they occurred...is the only right conclusion to reach once all the evidence has been examined.

    Furthermore what is so compelling, so convincing to me of why the Christian religion is the right religion above all is because of the story about the birth, the life, the teachings from His ministry, the miracles He performed, the death by crucifixion and the resurrection of Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ.

    There is no one else like Him. Can you name anyone that could top Him?...there really isn't anyone I can come up with.

    Buddha, Mohammed, Confucius, and others never claimed to be God, they never resurrected from the dead, their bones lie dormant in the ground somewhere.

    But Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ resurrected from the dead. The Four Gospels of the New Testament are all based on eye-witness accounts depicting the whole story of Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ.

    How can anyone go wrong in having faith in Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ? That's why He is and will always be my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

    We Read in Scripture:

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,


    28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me, John 10:28 NLT

    45 For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve others and to give His life as a ransom for many." Mark 10:45 NLT

    16 For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 NLT

    25 Jesus told her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Anyone who believes in me will live, even after dying. 26 Everyone who lives in me and believes in me will never ever die. Do you believe this, Martha?” John 11:25-26 NLT

    6 Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me." John 14:6 NLT

    Ok Alpha thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it and explain why Christianity is the correct religion to believe in.
     
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    By powerful you mean popular. But popularity does not provide empriical evidence of any of the supernatural claims. What makes Jesus a real god as compared to other "pseudo gods."

    And after Jesus there were many human sacrifices conducted.
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    I would say premise 1 is true.

    Premise 2 is unproven.

    For discussion, if premise 2 was proven true, you could assert that something has alway existed. But how do you support calling this something a "being" by which of course you mean an Intelligent God.

    This sort of discussion l is addressed below.

    https://religions.wiki/index.php/Cosmological_argument
    Basicly, if God exists, and something cannot come from nothing, who created God.

    To me this is all pseudo intellectual variations on the theme of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. The bottom line. There is no empirical evidence to support supernatural claims.
     
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    Except of course not for people who lived and died before Jesus and not for people who lived after but never heard of Jesus. His sacrifice isn't needed for them, but somehow is for you. Makes perfect sense eh?

    God has the power to forgive your sins, but will only do so through this elaborate ritual of human sacrifice he decided to do, and gives zero indication why.
     
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    That's a falsehood because it is absolutely true that you cannot get something from nothing, it's really just common sense dude. It's absolute truth and keep in mind that absolute truth is not impacted by sincerity and desire. So no matter how sincerely you embrace a falsehood, it is still a falsehood. And no desire in the world can make something true that is a falsehood.

    I already stated premise 1 & 2 are true so therefore, a necessary and eternal Being exists who is responsible for everything that exists. He is not only intelligent but all-powerful to have created the universe and everything in it.

    God is the Eternal One, so nobody created Him. He is the Uncaused Being that caused everything else to come into existence. He has no beginning, He has no end, He is everlasting.

    We Read in Scripture:

    28 Have you never heard?

    Have you never understood?

    The Lord is the everlasting God,

    the Creator of all the earth.

    He never grows weak or weary.

    No one can measure the depths of his understanding. Isaiah 40:28 NLT

    God cannot be proven/disproven. God is spirit, no one in our world can see Him. Furthermore absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

    Ok Jet thanks for you post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.
     
  19. Mitt Ryan

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    Well the statement, "not necessarily Christian faith" means possibly but not certainly —used to say that something is not definitely true.

    Because you do have some Lutheran churches who believe in inerrancy then there are other Lutheran churches who do not believe in it. So Lutheran churches are split in regards to inerrancy of the Bible.

    Below is an article from the Rev. Stephen K. Preus who is the pastor of Trinity Lutheran Church, in Vinton, Iowa. His church believes in inerrancy. And he talks about their founder Martin Luther who strongly believed in the inerrancy of the Bible.

    Ok Gift thanks for your post, it was a pleasure from me to respond to it.
     
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    Another post of deception .. quoting yourself from "January" this time.. so obviously not the post I was responding to .. as in the post I was resonding to you did not say "not necessarily Christin Faith" .. Desperate to avoid addressing "Tough Questions" you make up these falsehoods.

    Some have termed this behavoir -- "Lying for Jesus" but, this doesn't capture the blasphamy regularly leveled at Jesus and God by the adherents of Satan. Its seems his favorite trick.. watching those who claim to "Have Faith" in Jesus blaspheming his good name.

    The dark path you have wandered Brother Mitt ..
     
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    When it comes to the ways & wisdom of Almighty God everything He does makes perfect sense despite the fact that some of His created beings who would think otherwise with their finite minds up against the infinite mind of Almighty God.

    Who are we to question the ways & wisdom of the infinite mind of Almighty God?

    We Read in Scripture:

    8 “My thoughts are nothing like your thoughts,” says the Lord.
    “And my ways are far beyond anything you could imagine.
    9 For just as the heavens are higher than the earth,
    so my ways are higher than your ways
    and my thoughts higher than your thoughts. Isaiah 55:8-9 NLT

    The Wisdom of God

    18 The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction! But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God. 19 As the Scriptures say,

    “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise
    and discard the intelligence of the intelligent.”[a]

    20 So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world’s brilliant debaters? God has made the wisdom of this world look foolish. 21 Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never know him through human wisdom, he has used our foolish preaching to save those who believe. 22 It is foolish to the Jews, who ask for signs from heaven. And it is foolish to the Greeks, who seek human wisdom. 23 So when we preach that Christ was crucified, the Jews are offended and the Gentiles say it’s all nonsense. 1 Corinthians 1:18-23 NLT

    Those people who lived prior to Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ, God pardoned them, so He did not punish them as the passage below (Romans 3:23-26) confirms this. God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus.

    Then the next passage following the first (Romans 2:12-16) tells us what happens for those people who never received the Good News of the Gospels, never hearing about Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ, they will be judged fairly and justly by God so depending on His judgment some will be saved others not.

    But for all others who have heard of Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ and what He represents, belief and acceptance of Him saves a person from being separated from God, unbelief and non-acceptance of Him condemns a person who will be separated from God for all eternity. So the choice is ours to make.

    We Read in Scripture:

    For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God's glorious standard. Yet God, with undeserved kindness, declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus. Romans 3:23-26 NLT

    12 When the Gentiles sin, they will be destroyed, even though they never had God’s written law. And the Jews, who do have God’s law, will be judged by that law when they fail to obey it. 13 For merely listening to the law doesn’t make us right with God. It is obeying the law that makes us right in his sight. 14 Even Gentiles, who do not have God’s written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it. 15 They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right. 16 And this is the message I proclaim—that the day is coming when God, through Christ Jesus, will judge everyone’s secret life. Romans 2:12-16 NLT

    Again I repeat, If God did not send His only begotten Son Jesus then we'd all be condemned and punished for our sins and be separated from God forever.

    But God didn't want that because His plan is for you, me, and everyone else to live with Him in heaven. But you must believe in Him. If you don't believe in Him then you won't be saved and will be separated from Him forever.

    We Read in Scripture:

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,
    16 “For this is how God loved the world: He gave[a] his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 NLT

    Before our first parents Adam and Eve sinned, they had a good relationship with God. They were not ashamed to come into God's presence. But after they sinned, their relationship with God changed and they were ashamed to come into God's presence. Sin had separated them and the entire human race from God. But God did not want sin to keep people from having a relationship with Him. So He provided a way in which people could be cleansed of their sins and live with Him in heaven forever. He gave His only Son, Jesus, as the perfect payment for everyone's sins.

    Ok jolly thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it and hopefully I helped you to make sense of it all.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Great .. then tell me about the infinite wisdom of the Male Temple Prostitutes in YHWH's home .. what was their purpose .. and why was the rider of the sky YHWH so fond of human sacrifice .. specially the young virgin girls ..

    What did you think God gave you a brain for if not Questioning the Almighty -- the path of deception you walk.
     
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    According to the Lutheran church you say...so funny Gift.

    My faith is built on a foundation of solid rock because I have faith in the Lord Savior Jesus Christ. And so just because I believe in inerrancy doesn't mean my faith is built on a foundation of sand. First of all let me point out to you that we are not saved by believing in the inspiration or inerrancy of the Holy Bible.

    But rather we are saved by believing, having faith in Our Lord Jesus Christ as our Savior from sin.

    We Read in Scripture:

    9 If you openly declare that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by openly declaring your faith that you are saved. Romans 10:9-10 NLT

    8 God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. 9 Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it. Ephesians 2:8-9 NLT

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said, 16 “For this is how God loved the world: He gave[a] his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 NLT

    So what's of vital importance is that we have to believe, have faith in Jesus Christ who is Our Lord Savior, and who is proclaimed by the Holy Bible.

    Ok Gift thanks for your post, it was a pleasure for me to respond to it to let it be made aware to you that believing in inerrancy doesn't mean one's faith is built on a foundation of sand.
     
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    According to the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America ELCA -
    https://www.exposingtheelca.com/exposed-blog/elca-belief-about-the-bible-and-inerrancy

    So no Mitt .. not all Christians believe in inerrancy .. because man is fallible . and it is man who wrote the Bible .. this does not mean the Bible is not inspired .. just that some of its parts are not..

    But never mind that Brother Mitt - you have yet to figure out the name of the God you Worship .. You have to figure out which divinity it is that you worship .. prior to attributing any books of the Bible to this Divinity. I have a good idea of which one it is that you worship .. name starting with D .. but that would just be a guess based on the amount of Deception in your posts.

    What is the name of this God you claim wrote the entire Bible .. and which Bible did he write -- the Catholic Bible .. Lutheran .. Koptic .. "King James" ?
     
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    Only because that's the way he wants it. You just established that he didn't need any such thing to forgive those who came before him. So he decided to play a human sacrifice game.. why? Just for his amusement? Why does blood, death and suffering of SOMEBODY ELSE make up for your wrongdoing anyway?

    Except of course that it isn't. As he decided NOT to make it clear to everybody what they were to do to get into heaven, with even well meaning but different Christians disagreeing on it, so some obviously getting it wrong and being damned through no fault of their own, but merely because God set it up that way.

    Note how you said believe in him and not follow or obey him, nevermind be good. So this is a test of credulity, not obedience or morality.

    Nor did you comment on the hard question I asked about him not making us all know his message. Should you really be punished for not understanding that Shiva or Allah exist and your God doesn't, even though you made every effort to know the truth, and are thoroughly convinced that you do have the truth?
     
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