Is wokeness the remedy to fascism?

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  1. HockeyDad

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    Which explains why Netflix is going to blaspheme and subvert one of the great works of Western Christian literature... The Chronicles of Narnia. I hope it bankrupts the evil bastards. We live in a world where the nastiest and most powerful men in the West hate Christianity and are attacking it relentlessly.

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    Amazon did the same thing to English mythology by their abominable series "The Rings of Power".
     
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    I've often noticed this ploy by Progressives. They take a word that has been used for decades. Latch onto it and then expand it. Once it has been expanded and Conservatives start to complain because its being expanded to the point of idiocy Progressives then just point out the simple definition of the term as it was used decades ago or even just a few years ago. Or at least as far back as they care to bring it...often ignoring parts of history in the process.

    Woke ideology in its simplest form is not what is objected to by Conservatives. It is the extent that Progressives have taken it that Conservatives take the exception to.

    For example woke ideology has led to conservative speakers at universities being shut down. When you can't even have a conversation with the opposing viewpoint without trying to get them shut down with the threat of violence then you have gone too far in your woke ideology.

    Woke ideology has also brought about cancel culture. An excessive form of protesting. Prior to current woke ideology a person who said something stupid was at the very least given a chance to apologize, barring that they would get ostracized and ignored... at the extreme they would try and get the employer of that person to fire them and then usually only if the person wore something identifiable to the company. In other words there were limits to how far people would go. Those limits have been obliterated. Now that extreme, is no longer a last resort...or considered extreme. In fact Progressives will now do whatever they can do to find out that persons name, address, place of work, and demand their firing, demand all social media that they are on to ban them, complain to advertisers and make the claim that those advertisers are supporting racism (or whatever other phobia/ism)...even though its obvious that they're not. And whatever else possible to absolutely ruin the persons life. Even make up lies. And the kicker? It doesn't even actually have to be something ACTUALLY racist/phobic/ism. Simply disagreeing with Progressive ideology is enough to get you labeled as such.

    Which of course brings us to the next part of woke ideology having become extreme.

    There are very few things that aren't racist, phobic or some other form of ism to Progressives and their woke ideology. Milk has been determined racist. Time itself has been considered racist. Presenting your full work to get the answer to a math question is racist. And tons and tons of other things. Basically ANYTHING in which there is some sort of "disparity" has been determined to be racist. If there is a disparity and POC are on the short end of the stick, its racist. Doesn't matter anything else. And they never look beyond "racist" for an explanation.

    If you want to fix racism....don't be racist in the process. And today's woke ideology...which has expanded far beyond the simple definition you gave, is all about fighting racism, with more racism. And that is not...I repeat...NOT how you deal with racism.
     
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    is christianity compatible with capitalism? some may think not.
     
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    "God helps those who help themselves"... The spirit of capitalism AND the spirit of Christianity
     
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    "no man may serve 2 masters ...." christ
     
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    Absolutely not, if you are aware of yeshua and his message. "Christianity" has become a fashion adornment, wear a cross and you're a Christian that celebrates pagan traditions like Christmas.
     
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    Having a good job and serving God doesn't violate that at all.
     
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    Woke is just a way to disguise communism.
     
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    worshipping "mammon" the personification of money and wealth certainly does.
     
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    So... dictionaries are "pure propaganda" when MAGA-loyalists don't like the definition. Got it!
     
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    And we know this... not because of what the word means (definition provided), or anything they do or say or what they believe but... because you say so.
     
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    Thanks to wokeness. Which is why fascists now attack it.
     
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    Dictionaries are written by people with all their beliefs, prejudices, and distortions - not infallible gods.
     
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    I know. To fascists it means "our enemies".

    What nonsense! Critical Race Theory criticizes the theory that ANYBODY is racist. You don't know what you're talking about. But this is not the thread to discuss CRT. There is a thread where this was explained.
     
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    So instead of enjoying the "freedom" that we have to disparage minorities, wokesters want minorities to have the same freedoms.
     
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    . If you think CRT as being taught in public schools DOESN'T teach that. White kids having to apologize POC kids for the "racism" of their ancestors is a key facet of that flavor of CRT.
     
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    Hey, it aint my nonsense.

    "At this point, it’s difficult not to have heard about Robin DiAngelo, the sociologist and consultant who specializes in anti-racism training. Her book White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard to Talk To White People About Racism has been a bestseller. The New York Times calls her “a phenomenon.” As of the time of this writing, she has given a talk to 184 Democratic members of Congress, been on The Tonight Show, and made a lot of money giving anti-racism workshops at America’s largest corporations such as Google, Amazon, and Microsoft."
    What’s So Bad About Robin DiAngelo ❧ Current Affairs

    From one of DiAngelo's books on racism, a popular one in the CRT curriculum:

    Critical scholars define racism as a systemic relationship of unequal power between White people and people of Color. Whiteness refers to the specific dimensions of racism that elevate White people over people of Color. Basic rights, resources, and experiences that are assumed to be shared by all, are actually only available to Whites. Although many Whites feel that being White has no meaning, this feeling is unique to White people and is a key part of what it means to be White; to see one’s race as having no meaning is a privilege only Whites are afforded. To claim to be “just human” and thus outside of race is one of the most powerful and pervasive manifestations of Whiteness.

    Source: Sensoy, Ozlem, and Robin DiAngelo. Is Everyone Really Equal?: An Introduction to Key Concepts in Social Justice Education, first edition. Teacher’s College Press: New York, 2012, p. 119.
    Whiteness - New Discourses

    It seems to me 'the feeling that being white has no meaning being unique to white people', 'seeing one's race as having no meaning is a priviledge only whites are afforded' and 'to claim to be just human and outside of race is the most powerful and pervasive manifestion of whiteness' translates to precisely what I said it does: white people are racist because they're less racist than other ethnicities. If you can make a different sense out of DiAngelo's gobbledygook here, be my guest...
     
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    To what extent should we take equality that we shouldn't exceed?

    False! Not only false.... it doesn't even make sense. Universities are the first target of fascists who are spreading this nonsense. How can you "shut down" a speaker unless they invited them in the first place? And if you're going to shut them down, why invite them in the first place?

    This is nonsense that only people absolutely clueless about academia would express. The one characteristic that obsesses high quality universities is Academic Freedom. And this means listening to EVERY point of view. At the university where I studied we had conferences by neo-Nazis, creationists, Marxists, Maoists, Holocaust Deniers, Flat Earthers, Satanists, UFOlogists... Any type of intellectual position you can think of. Of course, some students who don't understand what Academic Freedom is protested. Many walked out of the conferences in protest. But invariably, after all the noise settled down, those of us who stayed invariable enjoyed a thorough debunking through dialogue between advanced students and the presenters. It was actually the biggest difficulty was to get fringe exponents from attending and being exposed to utter debunking through the cordial confrontation with facts... But, when they did, a full conference room was almost invariably guaranteed.

    Obviously your knowledge of Academia is limited by what you hear on Fox and other right wingnut media. How is it that after so many times they have lied to you, you still haven't grasped this?

    The rest of your post... like this nonsense about people not being "allowed to apologize".... As if things like that were some sort of agreed-upon mandate is just.... nonsense (a more appropriate qualifier would not be allowed by forum rules).
     
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    There you go! Attack dictionaries! That was the excuse that was still missing here.
     
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    CRT is not being taught in public schools. It's a topic that would be too complex for anybody who hasn't had exposure to higher education, as your post demonstrates.
     
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    So your excuse is that you're repeating somebody else's nonsense?

    I already knew that!
     
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    Of course he said that nearly a hundred years ago, and thus had only that context from which to draw what's now his comically outdated conclusion.
     
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    Oppress how? Please be specific.
     
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    Another Bingo!
     
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    A pathetic dodge, complete with a refusal to quote the portion you apparently can't address. I'm soooo surprised :rolleyes:
     
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