Sorry, Russia's Winning the War

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  1. HockeyDad

    HockeyDad Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ROFLMAO..... tell that to Raytheon and Locheed Martin... I am sure they are losing a fortune in the Ukraine.
     
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    Very little of that going on from the Russian Side .. on a relative basis .. this is a war after all .. and on that basis .. Russia treating Ukraine with kid gloves .. a gentle Giant compared to US wars .. sometimes with NATO ... such as the war in Syria .. what a sht show that was .. and you want to talk "war crimes" "crimes against humanity" ... look no further..

    If Ukraine would pull back .. stop shelling neighborhoods .. killing civilians .. leave the separatist region and Crimea alone .. pease wouldd resume. the special operation accomplished its goal .. securing the black sea from Nato incursion .. sans Turkey of course .. but can we really call them a Nato Nation .. and Romainia not causing trouble on the high seas
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not the best Russia could do .. but is all they wan't to do .. Mission accomplished .. secure the region along the black sea to Crimea ..

    Secure the separatist region from the Azov Nazis .. stop them from shelling civilian areas .. committing acts of terrorism .. like your beloved Palestinians .. against the Jewish state.. You know how it works .. come on now and quit pretending .. duuuuoooopphhhh .. :)
     
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    Strange how Ukrainians are Nazis but Russian orcs, who have just invaded your country, are not.
    To understand this you don't look at history or politics, but psychology.
     
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    Where's the evidence? And why are Russians fleeing and protesting by the hundreds of thousands if any of what you claim is true? Certainly Russian citizens are bombarded with state propaganda more than outsiders. Why aren't they buying into the Putin's narrative? Why is Griner still being held?

    Russian propaganda myths debunked
    https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegati...-debunking-seven-myths-spread-russia_en?s=166

    Russia Takes Censorship to New Extremes, Stifling War Coverage Contradicting the Kremlin on the war in Ukraine — even calling it a war — is now a crime, prompting independent media to close, and Russia cut off access to Facebook, the BBC and other news sources.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/04/world/europe/russia-censorship-media-crackdown.html
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Evidence for what ? You can't give evidence for a negative "Duh" Your the one needs to come up with "Evidence"

    https://www.statista.com/statistics...fice of the United,Of them, 419 were children.

    UN says less than 10,000 civilians killed as of Nov 27. If you think is something way different .. such that this is anywhere near the numbers in the Syrian War .. prove your claim..

    and why you blathering on about Russian Propaganda when no source from Russia has been mentioned... Loop te do land.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Strange how you make up falsehoods and try to paint me with them .. well -- not so strange round these parts .. then blather on about how this is not about history or politics .. but psychology .. then not giving a wit of support for claim .. nor explanation .. such that anyone could possibliy know what you are talking about.

    Thanks for yet another post of nothing coherent sans Strawman Fallacy ..
     
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    When you hear Putin say things like
    There is no war
    I have no regrets
    I am only defending Russia
    Ukrainians were killing Russians
    The Special Operation is going according to plan
    etc
    You have to digest this stuff from a Freudian perspective - transferance or projection are the terms.

    Like when Hitler said
    The Jews are overruning Europe
    The Jews want war

    WHO overran Europe and wanted war?
    Same as Putin. And most other dictators too - ie Kim saying America is 'destabilizing the Korean penninsula with nuclear weapons.'
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    kind of a whole lot of words to say "one should consider the source" .. no need to bring in Dr. Freud .. and pretend to understand the Freudian perspective .. say as opposed to the Rogerian Perspective on the issue

    Has zero to do with the Jews .. little in common with "Most Other Dictators" sans the stuff shared with the likes of the Western Neocon flavor of the day .. .. a far cry from Pol Pot .. Stalin.. Mao.

    Loopy land once again .. failing to address previous comments .. a tip toe through the tulips ..
     
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    No, a tip toe through what drives people to believe sans evidence.
    On another forum some guy is explaining how the flat earth is ringed with ice and how the sun came within 1200 miles of the earth and scored the planet.
    But Putin believers and flat-earthers share one thing - love of conspiracy.
     
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    :blownose: " WINNING ! " poop.gif
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is a "Putin Believer" and what has this to do with your love of Tyrants .. and flat Earth Conspiracy that you guys share ?

    Loopy land x 2 ..
     
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    A Putin Believer is one who believes what Putin tells them. So they believe there will be no attack on Ukraine because Putin said as much.
    And Russia can mass forces on its western borders because, well... a sovereign nation can do what it likes within its own borders.

    Hower....

    Putin is invading Ukraine because he doesn't like its policies.

    In the West people who believe all these contortions are better known as Useful Idiots. Think Lenin coined the term.
     
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    More conscripts that won't want to fight for Russia dictators who also may cause discord amongst the Russian population.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What a pile of fallacious rubbish .. making up some hypothetical construct "Putin Believer" and attributing a bunch of nonsense to these folks.. insome attempt to demonize who knows what.

    What does any of this silliness have to do with anything I said .. you left for loopy doopy land 3 posts ago .. things have degraded since .. in some conversation with yourself ..
     
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    We take a Putin Believer is one who echoes everything Putin says, you know -- Nazis, NATO, Little Russia, attacks on Russians, UK policy etc..
     
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    The Russians increased their territory by four regions. (If you include Crimea, then five regions.)
    Once again - the Russians did not lose their territory, but increased it.
    And I wrote several times - it is beneficial for the Russians to drag out a special military operation.
    If you haven't read my previous comments on this subject, I'll make a few points just for you.
    1. The Russians, slowly, are very good at destroying military equipment and personnel of the Ukrainian fascists. At the same time, they do it with minimal losses for themselves (ratio 1/10).
    2. Russian destroy the military power of NATO countries. American, German, French... the generals are yelling about it. (If you live in Britain, then you probably remember the scandal with the lack of missiles even to protect Britain. The same is true in other countries of old Europe.)
    3. Look at the price tags, for example, for gas. Quite recently, gas cost less than $200 per 1,000 cubic meters, now gas costs $1,750 per thousand cubic meters. Gazprom and the Russians are ecstatic. And this winter has just begun.
    4. After the imposition of sanctions, the Russians began to actively develop their own production - and these are new jobs, an improvement in the budget and an improvement in the living standards of the Russian population.
    5. Every day of a special operation in Ukraine is a blow to the economy of Europe and the United States.
    6. Look at the growth of Russia's influence in the world. Not what idiotic journalists write, but reality. Look at the growth of Russian influence in the Middle East, for example. Biden humbly asks the Saudis to increase oil supplies, but the Saudis openly laugh at Biden. And at the same time, Saudi Arabia flirts with the Russians and applied for membership in the SCO. Qatar humiliates Scholz and says that all gas contracts have long been signed and, as a mockery, sends one (!!!) small gas carrier to Germany.
    Look at Africa - there are no more French people in Africa. The Russian "Wagner" drove them out of Africa. Now there are Russians in Africa.
    .... you can still show many examples .. You can see for yourself what is happening with the British economy. And this is just the beginning.
    In general, imagine, for example, the Russians won quickly in Ukraine.
    Sanctions will be lifted instantly, Europe will begin to gradually improve the economy, the standard of living will begin to rise and .... feeble-minded European politicians will again poke the Russian bear with a stick. Yelling all sorts of nonsense about "the rights of homosexuals", raving about "freedom of speech", howling about "evil Russians"...etc. In general, do the same thing that European politicians have always done.
    Why is it Russian?
    If it is possible to drag out the conflict, and having plunged the EU into an economic hole, wait for the collapse of this ridiculous organization. And further ... the classic - divide and conquer.
     
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    What is the meaning of your question?
    Or did you write just not to be silent?
     
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    About bombing hospitals, schools, wedding ceremonies, you'd better ask Iraqis, Afghans, Syrians, Libyans...etc.
     
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    You don't know what Putin Says .. so how would you now what a Putin Believer is .. "Everything" is a big word in context. and the definition you gave of of a Putin Believer" is not what you believe.. which of makes your statement even more nonsensical ..and your definition even more of a joke .. and the thing you are trying to define act of fallacy and irrational to begin with

    None of which relates to what was being discussed however... which is really loopy dupey but tell us more about these "Putin Believers" .. since you refuse to speak to the topic .. might was well do as the Romans when in Rome :)
     
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    I was surprised this was still going on. It was supposed to be quick, wasn't it? Anyway, every team has its cheerleaders.
     
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    We know exactly what Putin says in public because its in the public domain - both Russian and Western media report on this.
     
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    Hard to argue with, nice work :applause:
     
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    [, post: 1073887735, member: 66515"]First, briefly about the author.
    James G. Rickards is an American lawyer, economist, investment banker, public speaker, media commentator, and writer on finance and precious metals. He is the author of Currency Wars: The Making of the Next Global Crisis (2011) and six other books. Now lives in Connecticut.
    Education: BA (Hons) from Johns Hopkins University, Juris Doctor from the University of Pennsylvania School of Law, and Master of Laws in Taxation from New York University School of Law
    He has held senior positions at Citibank, Long-Term Capital Management and Caxton Associates. Worked on Wall Street for a total of 35 years.

    https://dailyreckoning.com/sorry-russias-winning-the-war/
    Clever man.
    However, anyone with a brain understands that the Russians will win without much effort.
    Russians in Ukraine use only up to 10% of their military forces, and with a minimum number of forces easily resist the collective west.
    The Russians are increasing the territory of Russia, they are driving Ukraine into the Stone Age, as well as Europe. For example, the British minister urges the British not to fight and not to ask for an increase in wages (despite the giant jump in prices for everything). And, not knowing what pretext to refer to, he yells that by increasing salaries, the British are helping Putin. "Nurses must drop pay demands to ‘send clear message to Putin’, cabinet minister says" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nurses-strikes-inflation-zahawi-putin-b2238518.html
    Also, the Russians are destroying the dollar as the main reserve currency and creating a new world order. And this is only when using 10% of its military potential.
    And it must be admitted that the Russians made excellent use of the "smoke screen in the economy." Russians are masters in general of hiding the true greatness of Russian power. Bismarck also remarked - "Russians are never as weak as you think."
    How is Sun Tzu? "Being strong, pretending to be weak"?
    And suddenly, economically "weak" Russia has a huge budget surplus, export revenues increased by 10%, Russia's external debt decreased by 25%....etc.


    And at the same time..
    US Strategic Petroleum Reserves continue to fall. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=WCSSTUS1&f=W
    Global manufacturing PMI hit a 29-month low in November. https://www.pmi.spglobal.com/Public/Home/PressRelease/f77b312d47774dcc8895840bdfc6f3b9
    [​IMG]
    The most interesting picture. The "two percent economy torn to shreds" managed to gain a foothold in the positive zone, losing first place to the Hindus. While almost the entire "prosperous" West has not the best performance.
    The US personal savings rate continues to fall catastrophically. The October result is 2.3%.....

    In general, we can only repeat the words of the author - Sorry, Russia's Winning the War
    [/QUOTE]

    Yep, from Feb 24, 2022 Russia is winning every day. Russia is leaving some conquered Ukraine territories because they think these territories worthless and not because Ukraine army is winning. We all trusting Destroyer of illusions!
     
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    Bullocks. In 1945, would you believe Nazi Germany's PMI was better than the US? It was, and yet Germany lost the war.

    The PMI index on improvements is a month-to-month trend. In the US it rises and falls, but most economists, the ones worth their weight in opinion I might add, use regression analysis. Rickards is mostly a Von Mises economist, and they are never worth their weight in opinion. It is why he only publishes on an obscure website.
     
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