The distorted reality of the Law Enforcement narrative

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  1. Mike12

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    Myth: The left will tell us cops drive around hunting blacks and kill blacks all the time. They will state systemic racism in law enforcement as a 'fact'.
    Truth: FBI stats show there are millions of arrests a year, thousands of assaults AGAINST cops, thousands of altercations between civilians and cops. Only around 15 unarmed blacks are killed a year. Twice as many whites are killed by police than blacks are killed by police.

    Stats do not back up there is systemic racism in law enforcement, they simply do not.

    So do the facts point to us even having an issue with policing? They arrest millions and are assaulted thousands of times a year by civilians. Do 20 or so unarmed blacks killed a year really point to a big problem? That's a really low #.. It will never be 0. A much bigger problem is black on black crime, thousands of blacks are killed like dogs by other blacks a year and no-on cares.

    But let's go with the narrative that there 'is a problem'. What's the left's solution?

    1. Defund police. How is this going to solve the problem? When you defund police, you pay them less, you train them less, you end up with more crime. So let's do the math - less trained police, less paid police, less police and more crime. How does this help? explain
    2. Accuse police of being racists and destroy any cop in court of public opinion before facts are known when there is a shooting. This results in less good responsible people wanting to join law enforcement. Why would they? They will be called racists and smeared by media even if they use justified lethal force

    What is end result? you end up with more cops like Tadarrius Bean, Demetrius Haley, Emmitt Martin III, Desmond Mills Jr. and Justin Smith. BAD COPS.

    The solution is MORE FUNDING and MORE, BETTER TRAINED POLICE who are better integrated in their communities.
     
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    nope, the left says there are good cops and bad cops

    we should all support the good cops

    the good cops should protect us from bad cops and the victims of bad cops should get justice

    why would some on the right be against that?
     
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    part of the solution is to end the war on drugs, stop funding gangs, and giving cops an excuse to go on fishing expeditions
     
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    Hi, Mike 12.

    Let's begin with a sentence from the above quote: "Twice as many whites are killed by police than blacks are killed by police."

    The way in which a fact it stated can lead to a misunderstanding of the actual situation. In this instance, the overall US population is about 76% white and 14% black. There are, again roughly, 5 times as many whites as blacks in the US population. If police killings are race-neutral, we should expect to see five times the number of whites killed as blacks. The quoted statement is that the number is only two times as many.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well . . . 'n un-shot..
     
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    You're deliberately ignoring the fact that blacks commit the overwhelming percentage of violent crime in America.That's why they're arrested more often, put in jail more often, and everything else that goes with it.
     
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    Hi, straight ahead.

    Welcome to the conversation. I did not ignore it. It was not germane to my comment, which dealt with a matter of data presentation.

    Though you've given no reference for your statement, let's accept it as a 'given'. Once we do that, the next step is to ask why this is so.

    Your response?

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     
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    Obviously it must be the fault of bad white people making them over participate in criminal activity.....
     
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    Hi, FatBack.

    Please present your evidence.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well . . . 'n un-shot.
     
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    Well we always hear it's not their fault so it must be those white devils...
     
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    The solution is MORE FUNDING and MORE, BETTER TRAINED POLICE who are better integrated in their communities.

    Another part of that is to enforces laws consistantly. If police break the law we need to make them accountable. Most police are good and I am sure they are frustrated by the ways they are sometimes treated and by the threat of the number of weapons on the street, but knowing they may be charged for their actions could cause them to think rather than lash out. That would be good for citizens and good for police
     
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    What I would propose is better screening/testing/profiling of all applicants for the police academies. Disregard color, race, ethnicity and certainly have a psychological test by qualified psychiatrists. All cops should have an annual physical and annual psychological screening. That might prevent a good cop from going rogue. There is a certain personality that is needed to be a good cop. It's a thankless job where you one day you rescue a cat but the next day you are in a shoot-out with a bank robber. Look at the number of cops who lose their life while on duty. If I had to guess, I would guess the hiring of cops has resulted in lowering the hiring standards to satisfy diversity and equity. And that cost Tyre his life.
     
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    not so fast... if you want to go there, let's go there

    Blacks are only 13% of population yet commit violent crime at much higher rates, over twice the % vs their representation in the populace. Take murder, blacks commit approx. 50% of the homicide, almost 5 times their share of the population. More violent crime = more the likelihood of violent altercations with police. I can show the FBI stats if you don't feel like doing your own research.
     
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    And you're still avoiding answering the WHY?
     
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    do some research...

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ics-disprove-the-big-lie-about-police.587485/
     
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    You can make all of the excuses for them you want but at the end of the day people break laws because they personally choose to break a law.

    No one is making them do a damn thing.
     
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    Hi again, Mike.

    I'll accept your statements regarding the crime statistics for Black Americans.

    That brings us to the next step.

    To what do you attribute the difference in the crime statistics when we compare those for black, as opposed to white Americans?

    Regards, stay safe 'n well . . . 'n un-shot.
     
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    Do you believe that cops are racists and hunt down blacks to kill for enjoyment?
     
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    Another point is that we should stop enforcing poor laws, specifically the drug prohibition. With its corrupting influence, it has cops stealing from evidence rooms and getting into the business themselves. Zealous enforcement of illegitimate laws makes the cops look bad and frustrates them.
     
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    I don't think we need to reform the cops as many demonstrators march with such signs. At any time a cop can break the law, just like a preacher can steal or a fireman can start a fire. Better screening is needed.
     
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    Right SA. Many cop haters on DP also want blacks to be able to do their own thing w/o police harassment.:roll:
     
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    I am not one of the liberals who thinks we should “defund police” . But I am not on board with “ more funding” either. More training might help but there are other factors which contribute police brutality,

    We have more guns in USA then citizen. I understand completely police officer are afraid of their lives. Same times our laws protect “bad cop” from prosecution or police officer has to prove “ reasonable fear” and that is “ get out of jail card” for killing unarmed man. Police union shelter bad cops and among cops it is a bigger offense for a good Cop to rat out bad cop then bad cop killing an unarmed man.

    Other western country has bad cop, their police funding is lesser then us , yet they have much less killing then us.

    Which Country Spends the Most on Police? | Work + Money (workandmoney.com)

    Status 2019

    Ireland -Population: 4.9 million , Police Spending 09% GDP , Total Police killing 1

    Norway -Population: 5.3 million , Police Spending 1.2 % GDP , Total Police killing 0

    France- Population: 67 million , Police Spending 1.6 % GDP , Total Police killing 26

    Germany - Population: 83 million , Police Spending 1.6 % GDP , Total Police killing 11

    UK - Population: 66 million , Police Spending 1.8 % GDP , Total Police killing 3

    Japan - Population: 126.3 million , Police Spending 1.2 % GDP , Total Police killing 2

    USA - Population: 328 million , Police Spending 2 % GDP , Total Police killing 1,127

    What Are Police Like in Other Countries? (cfr.org)
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    I wonder why?
     
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    We also must not overlook the fact that Tyre resisted his simple ticket and also ran away. The situation could have been resolved had he been polite and calm and accepted his ticket. The cops should have subdued him and not beat him. But we ended up with two wrongs causing a death.
     
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    Can you tell me why police officer dragged him out of his car ?
     
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