Ron DeSantis on Ukraine

Something tells me that DeSantis will be declared a Putin bot by the neo-cons.

After Ron Desantis got testy over a reporter’s question about Ukraine, he told Tucker Carlson the war should not be a US priority, moving closer to Trump’s position

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis had largely avoided staking out a specific policy position on the war in Ukraine until Monday, when he said it should not be a top-level interest for the US — breaking with many in his party and aligning more closely with former President Donald Trump.

"While the US has many vital national interests — securing our borders, addressing the crisis of readiness with our military, achieving energy security and independence, and checking the economic, cultural and military power of the Chinese Communist Party — becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia is not one of them," DeSantis said in a statement provided to "Tucker Carlson Tonight" on Fox News.

"The US should not provide assistance that could require the deployment of American troops or enable Ukraine to engage in offensive operations beyond its borders," DeSantis continued in his statement to Carlson on Monday, adding: "These moves would risk explicitly drawing the United States into the conflict and drawing us closer to a hot war between the world's two largest nuclear powers."

So there you have it, Ron DeSantis' position on Ukraine. Now that it's out, people are going to be going hysterically crazy to call him a Putin lover and what have you.

 

Well, isn't he?

What sort of American's vision turns a blind eye to the imperialistic ambitions of a corrupt dictator?

 

“The US should not provide assistance that could require the deployment of American troops or enable Ukraine to engage inoffensive operations beyond its borders,"

I don’t think there is anyone saying anything different. Is anyone in govt or politics saying we should be sending US troops or helping ukraine invade Russia?

 

“territorial dispute” ?
LMAO

DeSantis is such a tool. I bet he thinks WWII was “territorial dispute “ too.

 

Actually quite a few people are saying something different.
From DeSantis' response to the Tucker Carlson show:

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1635446265692532738

“While the U.S. has many vital national interests – securing our borders, addressing the crisis of readiness within our military, achieving energy security and independence, and checking the economic, cultural, and military power of the Chinese Communist Party – becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia is not one of them. The Biden administration’s virtual “blank check” funding of this conflict for “as long as it takes,” without any defined objectives or accountability, distracts from our country’s most pressing challenges. Without question, peace should be the objective. The U.S. should not provide assistance that could require the deployment of American troops or enable Ukraine to engage in offensive operations beyond its borders. F-16s and long-range missiles should therefore be off the table. These moves would risk explicitly drawing the United States into the conflict and drawing us closer to a hot war between the world’s two largest nuclear powers. That risk is unacceptable. A policy of “regime change” in Russia (no doubt popular among the DC foreign policy interventionists) would greatly increase the stakes of the conflict, making the use of nuclear weapons more likely. Such a policy would neither stop the death and destruction of the war, nor produce a pro-American, Madisonian constitutionalist in the Kremlin. History indicates that Putin’s successor, in this hypothetical, would likely be even more ruthless. The costs to achieve such a dubious outcome could become astronomical."

Providing F-16's and long range missiles are extremely popular among the DC establishment.

 

I think DeSantis is parsing his words carefully to flip to either side when the opportunity to do so would benefit him.

 

I’m not sure I’d call it offensive if they’re being invaded, but I think he’s trying to thread a fine needle there.

 

I will repeat what I have often said on this forum about conservatives being soft on Putin.

For me, there is not much difference between them and those who in 1938 saw Adolf Hitler as an harmless guy with whom the US could get along.

Putin is a psychopath who only knows the language of force.

He frightens our European allies so much that Sweden and Finland asked to join NATO less than two months after the offensive in Ukraine.

To do nothing against Putin and his regime would be the greatest historical mistake of the last 150 years.

Moreover, the US has the luxury of being able to weaken Russia permanently by spending only 5% of the military budget and not shedding the blood of any American.

In the end, DeSantis proves once again that he is an idiot.

 

That’s unfair. I think they know exactly who Putin, that he is not harmless, but just don’t care.

 

Well as a diplomatic and foreign policy issue, it should be a finely threaded needle.

 

LMAO... my thought exactly.

So far, it sounds like Meatballs position is the Biden position....

Gonna be hard to live that down...

Of course, it's always gonna be fun to debate exactly what Ukraines "borders" are...

 

Just to put this in perspective.

160,000 dead Russian soldiers.
461,000 wounded Russian soldiers.

That represents 71% of the Russian military.

https://www.minusrus.com/en

At least half of modern Russian tanks have been destroyed. Russia is pulling out 60 year old tanks to try and use. Now Russian military equipment is not know for it's reliability, but 60 year old soviet era tanks have to be about the worst.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...equip-with-60-year-old-t-62s/?sh=4c85dcf73624

The Russian military is in chaos. Troops refusing to follow orders and refusing to fight.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-war-donetsk-1786266

Putin seems to know he is losing and losing badly, and all simpering Ron can whine is that it is a territorial dispute.

 

An ad hominem fallacy followed by a strawman fallacy. lol

 

DeSantis flip-flopped on aid to Ukraine after previously offering full-throated support for arming Kyiv

We need to make sure Trump or DeSantis or any other isolationist is not president of our country?!!

Continuing to send aid to Ukraine is in the best interest of the US and our European allies too, you stop Russia now or pay a higher price in the future in money and in lives too?!!

One other thing, I don't want to see our country become another Florida either?!!

Ron DeSantis says it's not in the "vital" interests of the US to help Ukraine defend itself from Russia.

The Florida governor's position echoes Trump's rhetoric on the war in Ukraine.

But as a member of Congress in 2015, DeSantis offered strong support for arming Kyiv.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis now argues that helping Ukraine defend itself from Russia's ongoing invasion is not in the


Florida Governor @RonDeSantisFL answers our Ukraine questionnaire:

“While the U.S. has many vital national interests – securing our borders, addressing the crisis of readiness within our military, achieving energy security and independence, and checking the economic, cultural,… https://t.co/1I2elVi6hI

— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) March 14, 2023
of the US. But he was singing a much different tune while he was a member of Congress in 2015, and critical of the Obama administration for not sending lethal aid to Ukraine.

Back then, DeSantis was a Republican hawk who demanded the US send Ukraine weapons as it fought a war against Kremlin-backed rebels in the country's eastern Donbas region, a conflict that was in many ways a prelude to Russia's large-scale invasion last year.

"We in the Congress have been urging the president, I've been, to provide arms to Ukraine. They want to fight their good fight. They're not asking us to fight it for them. And the president has steadfastly refused. And I think that that's a mistake," DeSantis said in a 2015 radio interview with conservative talk radio host Bill Bennett, which was recently unearthed and reported on by CNN.

DeSantis — who is widely expected to run for the GOP presidential nomination in 2024 — at the time said that arming Ukraine would send a "strong signal" to Russian President Vladimir Putin "that he shouldn't be going any further."

The Obama administration was facing criticism in those days over its reluctance to provide anything beyond non-lethal assistance to Ukraine, fearing that sending weapons to Kyiv would exacerbate the conflict and raise tensions with Moscow.

https://news.yahoo.com/desantis-flip...ycsrp_catchall

 

Well, I don't know how much stock I'd put into a website run by the "Armed Forces of Ukraine", but whatever the numbers, Russia isn't winning (or they are doing the MAGA version of winning, which is called losing)...

I don't think anybody expects that to change much...

 

IMHO the intellectually challenged are liberals who for years preached that US military spending should be reduced and the money diverted to US social programs, health care, schools, etc. and now demand that the US spend hundreds of Billions on some other
countrie's military.

You seem rather cavalier about the risks of a proxy war against a nuclear power. If you think that direct conflict with the US could not happen please share your risk analysis. Do you have any reason to know for sure that a man reported at times to have terminal cancer (Putin) would not use a tactical nuke in Ukraine? And if he did, then what do you suppose might happen? Inquiring minds want to know.

So as a tough talking war hawk did you ever participate in a war. Or did you avoid service like the current President? You want to make comparisons to1938. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps a certain reluctance to kick off a war with Hitler may have been based on actual experience participating in a horrible war, i.e., WWI.

If you want to talk about history, consider the lesson of history that wars never turn out as expected.

 

Took him long enough. No Foreign Entanglements... It's not that hard, unless you have business interests and a media ready to trumpet your narrative. What does the American citizen have to gain in Ukraine? Nothing...

 

Really? Why would anybody expect the Governor of a US State to have a position on Ukraine at all?

Unless they are running drag shows, of course. Or their people like to read books....

 

For once the military budget is used for something really useful.

Are you advocating lying down to Putin because he threatens us?

Who regrets today that the US helped defeat Hitler?.... and Japan?

 

Not sure why'd try to pre-emptively call people "hysterically crazy" (aka gaslight) for pointing out the obvious, which is the fact that this clearly plays in Putins favor, so there is no doubt Russia will do whatever they can to help him win elections. How can you not see it plays in Putin's favor? Heck, maybe DeSantis figures he'll take all the help he can get, even if its from out enemies.

 

Lol…followed by some embarrassing turd polishing for a magalomaniac dictator.
We all know that if putin didn’t have your orange dotard by the shorthairs and telling him what to do, the maga hordes would be singing another tune.
It’s not even about ideology, but about pandering to a lying demagogue.
Look at how they’re still prattling on about stolen elections because trump is incapable of facing reality.

 

This doesn't sound any different from out current policy to be honest.

 

Hmmmm! Seems like I heard that same point a half-Century ago.

 

I see a future FBI wiretap in DeSantis' future! It's going to be 2016 all over again.

 

Everyone’s scared of a hot war with Russia. No idea why. Ukraine has a hot war with Russia and they’re doing just fine. I guess when it comes to showing you have balls, everyone has the chicken little reaction and they hide behind their wild imaginations as to what will occur.