Ron DeSantis on Ukraine

They all got that idea from one civilian source...lol.

 

Trump authored our dishonorable abandonment of our Afghan allies. Biden chose to join in that act of dishonor.

 

It’s not bidens fault that the Afghan govt couldn’t build a military in 20 years. Not our problem, and staying while thousands more died is no answer.

 

"No blank check" is apparently fighting words around here. These neocons are insisting on a black check.

 

Biden ended the blood shed. Stop pretending to care about foreign lives while you cower to Putin.

 

Complete nonsense.
Why didn’t the Trump DOJ rescind the indictment of the Russian hackers?

 

Biden got 13 Marines killed.

 

The people indicted weren't hackers.

 

There were Afghan units still fighting as our last aircraft lifted off.

 

He basically has restated the US's current position on Ukraine. The government has gone to great lengths to avoid pushing Russia too far and giving them any excuse to escalate.

That said, none of this is on us. This is 100% on Russia. So for them to use anything we choose to do as an excuse is just that, an excuse, nothing more.

I see no problem continuing as we have. And Ron didn't make any case to change course with these comments, so sounds like he's good.

 

Did? The election is two years from now.

Can you offer some points on why Russia would NOT try to help the candidate which benefits them the most, especially now with the war with Ukraine raging on? Any idea why they would NOT engage in social media influencing for example? Any ideas other than "I don't agree" or "I didn't agree in 2016, so I won't agree now". Those are dodges, not answers. Besides, you are the only one mentioning "collusion" which would require DeSantis to actively participate with Russian. The question is why Russia would not help him with or without his participation, or approval.

 

Yes, please see the myriad of Russia Collusion threads if you have any questions. That's kind of out of scope for this thread.

 

Why don't you check on the status of those Russian hackers and get back to us?

 

I'll tell you the same thing I told @The Mello Guy , that's out of scope for this thread, but there are plenty of Russia Collusion threads if you are still upset by it.

 

And you speak of intellectually challenged. The irony...

 

20 years, how many more do you think we owe them? How many more American lives?

 

Still indicted, guess even trumps DOJ saw the truth you won’t

 

A couple things.

The military is a social program. We pool our money together for common defense. We feed (directly or via subsidy), in many cases house, arm/equip and provide health care for those who serve and their families. We do this to benefit society. So don't act like it's any different than health care, schools, welfare, or programs we also offer to all members of society, not just those in the military.

Another point, this a specific mission designed to confront, harass, and weaken a country that is lead by a government largely the oppose of ours. Russia would like to gain and spread influence at our expense. They are rivals. So to spend money, and not our own blood, to weaken them is a great use.

You seem to think it's something new that the US has never done before. It's not. We're well practiced at it.

Because neither country cares enough to confront each other directly over Ukraine. Russia's bluster and posturing only proves that. If they were willing to go toe to toe with NATO in a straight up fight, they would have already made it happen.

No one knows for sure what someone else would do, but why do you think that a) Putin has terminal cancer given we have know way to verify that, and b) that means he would use a tactical nuke? Putin dying from cancer doesn't mean he's thinking, well I guess I'll destroy the world. That's not his style. Putin isn't illogical or irrational. Look at his proxy war against us in Syria. That's why he thought he could win this one. But I think he mistook the situation with Ukraine versus the ME. Just my thoughts, I'm not expert.

Did you?

We've had presidents not serve in the military. Does that make their foreign affairs decisions any better or worse? Can they not consult those who are active or have served? And wouldn't he wise ones do that? Not like the ones with bone spurs who claim they know more than those who have actual military experience? Biden didn't have to serve in the military to make good or bad decisions involving the military.

Absolutely that was a strong consideration. No doubt. But WWII and the war in Ukraine are nothing alike. The world is different. Total war is not an option. Missiles and drones greatly change the battlefield considerations. As does modern armor, mobility, and artillery. We also as a world have less tolerance for human casualties than we did back then. The politics are very different as are the leaders involved. Comparisons to 1938 would be barely at the surface level.

I think the only expectation I have is for Russia to at least fall back to their 2014 illegal annexation when it comes to Ukraine. Or rather, that's the goal in my mind. If Ukraine can get it all back, great. They should get it all back. Russia has no right to have any part of Crimea. They lost it long ago and that's tough. Other unintended consequences are likely, sure, but that's true of any action taken. If we say that wars never turn out as expected, thus we should never fight one, well, I don't know what to say to that. More over, this isn't our war. We are merely supplying a side. So we have far less at stake than in an actual war.

 

Total KIA in Afghanistan and Iraq were less than one tenth of our KIA in Vietnam. High casualties are not available as an excuse for our dishonorable departure.

 

Got it, so more should die in the name of honor.

 

How could I be upset about 2024 elections when it has not taken place yet? It has nothing to do with 2016. How are you not comprehending it?

We are talking about DeSantis and his comment in regards to aiding Ukraine and 2024 elections

Can you offer some points on why Russia would NOT try to help DeSantis in 2024 elections when he has revealed his view which is exactly what Russian wanted to hear? Any idea why they would NOT engage in social media influencing for example?

Lil Mike does not need to answer since he is not understanding the question, but others are free to share their opinions if they wish.

 

The fact that our departure was dishonorable does not mean the only reason to stay would have been honor. (Although keeping faith with those who put their trust and lives in our hands should not be discounted.)
We should have stayed to continue the great work of bringing human rights and (someday) democracy to a part of the world where too little of those have been seen.

 

The Jupiter missiles from Turkey were not going to be replaced anyway.

And I'll point out that Khrushchev was a victim of a coup after his collapse during the Cuban Crisis....

 

Yet, you're ready to lose tens of thousands of troops fighting the Russians because you hate Trump.

 

The Cuban missile crisis was in 1962. Khrushchev was ousted in 1964. Not sure you can draw a straight line between the two.