Ron DeSantis on Ukraine

Apparently you've not seen my signature block.

 

Is that what you use instead of being informed or educated?

 

Our war stocks can be relished, mostly with newer weapons and technology. We did this in 1992-93 and we also did this in 2001 through 2004 or so. Or in other words, this is not a one time get to use weapons that cannot be massed produced in the future or we don't have any future weapons in the pipeline.

 

No, Unlike you I am not asking for evidence of a future event. I am asking a very simple question, and you sure have a hard time understanding it.

Question: Why would Russia NOT help DeSantis in 2024 elections when his views clearly work in their favor?

Not a complicated question, but at this time I'll pose it to other posters since you can't wrap your head around it. .

 

So to sum up this thread: DeSantis agrees with us so he's an idiot.

Is that about it?

 

Mama (DeSantis) said "don't go out and play with your friends, stay home and not get hurt".

 

Are insults all you are bringing to the table?

Sorry you got so frustrated you felt that insults were your only option. I guess it's this war and that lyin's sonabitch Johnson huh?

 

You are asking EXACTLY about a future event.

 

This is not exactly correct. For starters, the Military Industrial Complex is built on mass production. Yes, when a new system is designed, it does get limited production at the beginning. But I can assure you, there is a factory outside of Abilene Texas that still makes parts for F-16s. F-16s is our most popular export fighter with license agreements abroad as well as the logistic replenishment designs on a global scale. They sitll make the necessary parts for those fighters which may have a final assembly in about a dozen or so countries. We are also in the midst of replacing those fighters with newer ones. So the older models are getting shipped, like 40, plus the logistics train or parts and the necessary generators to keep the plane flying, and training their maintenance people on how to identify potential problems and repair them in field conditions.

For Russia, they jump for joy if they order 20 new fighters. We order new fighters in the hundreds with staggering costs now. And we are already developing the sixth generation fighter as we speak that will replace the F-16 and A-10 from my understanding. China, they may have a huge air force, but only a fraction of that air force uses the latest technology. Most of the research units use J7, J8 and J10 aircraft, comparable to fighters of the 1960s and 70s.

If you think that China is trying to deplete our "war stock" so they can invade Taiwan, think again. Ukraine has given them pause. Prior to the invasion when rumors were swirling around diplomatic circles and on the internet, most thought it would be over in 10 days. It has now lasted a year, which has given China considerable pause. With Japanese Self-Defense Forces very capable of offensive and defensive maneuvers in the air and sea, China's PLA, PLAF, and PLAN are not yet ready, But again, older equipment is being shipped with newer equipment replacing the older equipment. Not arguing its one-on-one things, but the point is our war stock is just fine, logistically speaking.

 

Technically, about 18 months with a block taking about 3 years if we are talking about a facility from General Dynamics in Greenville, NC. Over 5 decades, we have built 4600 F-16s. You may have been in defense acquisition during the early days when it probably did take a couple of years to build it, but the learning curve is always constantly evolving. But these aircraft are old and being phased out by the F35.

 

I know you won't comprehend the difference, but others do (easily)

You: Why don't you give me some evidence that Putin helps the DeSantis campaign (once it kicks off)?

Me: Why would Russia NOT help DeSantis in 2024 elections when his views clearly work in their favor?

You are asking for evidence and I am asking for an opinion.

I already told you I do not expect you to have an answer to that simple question, so I re-directed it at other posters. so don't worry about it.

Your credibility sure has taken a serious hit on this thread. LOL

 

You don't know China very well. Xi is not happy or glee, but they are not worried either. The Chinese entire foreign policy with other nations is a policy of nonintervention political detente. Remember, China gets upset if we sell defensive weapons, old weapons to Taiwan. For Russia invading Ukraine, China is walking a tightrope. If we send F-16s there, they will send Russia their old weapons as well, namely SA missile systems and those missiles themselves.

 

I know how and why he was asked... doesn't change the fact that the Governor of a State, and unannounced "candidate", doesn't need to have a position on Ukraine...

But when Fox News comes calling, everybody better step up and come up with a position... or else...

 

Countries called Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania. If Putin conquers Ukraine, then his next target is those countries. Putin badly miscalculated Europe's response on Ukraine. Furthermore, Ukraine is a strategic location. It has vast amounts of natural resources, a huge bread basket for wheat which produces 50% of the worlds sunflower oil, and acounts for 15% of global trade, everything for Putin to keep his people happy, for a short while. So, I guess you are okay with Putin conquering every country in the world untill Putin comes knocking on your door and demanding you leave or surrender.

 

Who gives a damn who Putin supports? Any rational person should support DeSantis because he has indicated he supports a negotiated peace treaty. The Chinese loudly and proudly supported Biden in the last election. Does that mean no patriotic American should have voted for him?

Russia could support Biden because he spending money like a drunken sailor and bringing the American economy to its knees. All of Biden's spending has bled America to the point of death. Meanwhile the Russia economy is doing fine and the BRIC coalition have infinitely more power now than at the beginning of Biden's administration.

Top investors like Charles Icahn and Michael Novogratz are saying that economic collapse in America is guaranteed. Think about that.

 

Just curious, what battlefield location do you believe that the weaponry sent to Ukraine could be used against China?

 

The New York Times pounces.

DeSantis, Backing Away From Ukraine, Angers G.O.P. Hawks

Declaring this week that defending Ukraine against Russia’s invasion was not a vital interest for the United States, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida cemented a Republican shift away from hawkish foreign policy that has played out over the past decade and accelerated with Donald J. Trump’s political rise.

Mr. Trump and Mr. DeSantis — whose combined support makes up more than 75 percent of Republican primary voters in the nascent 2024 presidential contest — are now largely aligned on Ukraine, signaling a sharp break from the interventionist approach that drove former President George W. Bush’s invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.

I can remember a time, not so long ago, that the thought of a GOP making a "sharp break from the interventionist approach that drove former President George W. Bush’s invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan," would be considered a good thing by the left. Now that they've adopted those same policies, they are outraged.

 

Like this?

 

Iraq and Afghanistan were not invaded by an authoritarian government....... well, the USA, but you know what I mean...

It's apples vs Volvos....

 

But you do not remember that all situations are different...

 

You have a short-term memory span here. In 2010, Obama addressed the nation to end US Troop involvement in Afghanistan by 2018. In 2011, Obama withdrew 10000 troops and an additional 23000 in 2012. Then came ISIS and we did another surge. Meanwhile the GOP, you know, conservatives, criticized the President's plan. In this Article from Reuters, it says, "Obama’s White House Rose Garden announcement prompted criticism from Republicans that the hard-fought gains made against the Taliban could be lost in much the same way that sectarian violence returned to Iraq after the U.S. withdrawal. So, Obama tried. He tried to negotiation with the Taliban along with the legitimate government of Afghanistan for a peace deal, but no dice. Trump's deal, the Duma Agreement, was not with the Afghanistan government AND pretty much gave everything to the Taliban like a kid handing out cookies. That withdrawal culminated under Biden's watch. Should have been handled better, but even the infamous final withdrawal of US personnel in Vietnam in 1975 was absolute chaos.

 

once it was signed, Biden pretty much had no choice. If we could not honor that agreement, nations will then ask if there is any agreement we will honor, even among our allies.

 

the weapons were in the hands of the legitimate Afghanistan Government and their military. When they surrendered, so did those weapons.

 

Why do you think DeSantis made that statement anyway. He is planning to run for President. He needs to get his opinion out there on Ukraine to have a shot at getting those Trump supporters to vote for him. Hence why he made it. The more he thinks about this, he will try to differentiate him from Trump in one way or another. But he will be on the same page as Trump about Ukraine though.

Since Ukraine did not do what Trump wanted in 2018, Trump will have a vendetta and gladly give Ukraine to Russian on behalf of Trumpica, the official kingdom of DJT.

 

I don't think Russia really cares if it is Trump or DeSantis or any other politician here as long as that politician is useful to Putin and their ultimate aim. With Trump, Russia has its best chance since Trump will have a vendetta against Ukraine and it is easier to manipulate a person who is full of anger and hatred than it is with someone, DeSantis, who really does not give a rat's butt but has to. So, Russia will continue is misinformation and disinformation campaign on Ukraine, riling up the MAGA base, which in turn will push both DeSantis and Trump into the political positions Russia wants, like a chess master schooling two low-level chess players.