Rep. McGovern read a book on Rosa Parks into the record to protest ‘bans’ — but Florida is pushing b

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  1. FreshAir

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    did they buy the book, they admitted they did not, why did they not buy the book?
     
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    I'm guessing it doesn't go into her activities as an active member of the Communist Party??

    Just sayin...

    I'm sure it reads closer to Princess Diana than it does Nadezhda Krupskaya.
     
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    You're the one claiming that they banned the purchase of it.

    So the onus remains on you.
     
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    Threatened them how?
     
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    Really, do I have to have a bouncing ball so you can follow?
    If you don't do as we are demanding, then we will spend whatever it takes to overturn your laws we don't like?
    Meaning piss on your voters, piss on your legislative body, and piss on your Governor. Do what we want or we will tie you up in courts for decades with millions of dollars spent getting rid of laws you voted on, that we (Just another theme park) don't like.

    And if Florida bows down to Disney, whos next? Seaworld? Bush Gardens? You believe a state legislature should bow down to theme parks demands, who don't vote for bills governing the state?
     
  6. Curious Always

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    So, I've been digging into this. I hate getting caught following a lie; it's sickening, no matter which side does it. So, I dig. It does appear that Duval claimed that they had (1) plenty of Rosa Park books and (2) a book about her was against their priorities, at the same time. So, either may be true, but it can't be both.

    I'm starting to think there's something to the claims, however. This article by the Duval County School Library is rather interesting. It's paints them as fairy angels with fairy dust sprinkling inclusive energy everywhere they go.

    https://www.teamduval.org/2023/02/17/facts-about-library-books-in-duval-county-public-schools/

    Here's the thing, though. This very short (< 1,200 word,) article mentions both Roberto Clemente and Hank Aaron three times each. That's one mention for every 197 words. Why? Why the need to mention these two oh so very frequently in their facts page? Was there a huge outcry about the lack of Clemente books available for 1st graders? Really?

    For every bit of seemingly outrageous news, there's a fact there, somewhere, hiding in plane site.

    This is the first in my life I've ever heard that the black community was crying out at the injustice of available information on Roberto Clemente. Well, no worries, peeps. Duval County grammar school library is your place for everything there is to know about Roberto Clemente and Hank Aaron.

    These two names were the only names mentioned in the short article; aside from the authors of said article. So, there's some scrambling here about something.
     
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    DeSantis is attacking Disney on the grounds of social opinion.

    What the hell EVER gave him the right to attack a corporation on those grounds?

    And, yes. If he wins v. Disney, then what corporation is next?

    Is his next move to try to damage companies that include healthcare for trans employees or support legal abortions?

    Why the HELL do Republicans think that attacking corporations on social issues such as this is a valid way for GOVERNMENT to spend its time?
     
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    That memo was clearly in answer to a question that you did not cite.

    So, YOU need to support your claim that the question was limited to those two individuals.

    I would suggest that no reasonable question that included those two names of black people could possibly have been oriented to those two black individuals alone. Even YOU note that.

    Then, the majority of that answer included description of their review process.

    But, nowhere in that review process does it suggest how they are reviewing books that include any mention of black people in any context - historic or today.

    Besides issues of race and ethnicity, that process also appears to include nothing about how religion and science are reviewed.

    The same goes for books on health issues - other than to say that they want to draw an exceptionally strong line against what anyone might consider pornography, a line that could well eliminate books on sexuality, pregnancy, STDs, and other important healthcare topics that high school age kids need to know about.
     
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    Just maybe instead of regurgitating leftist media, you might educate yourself.
    Everybody (except you) seems to know how Disney threatened Florida.
    I don't think you are going to have much luck with the woke version.
    It didn't work for Disney, and it won't work for you
     
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    Disney is not threatening FL.
     
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    Wow, you do drink the koolaide.
    A lot of it.
     
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    If you had an argument, you would state it.
     
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    I have no idea what point you are making, here.
     
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    My primary point is that you are making GROSS assumptions concerning what was written in that memo from the school

    AND, that memo from the school demonstrates significant important holes in their review process - including how they actually handle the issue of books about black athletes or any other persons of color.
     
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    Um, ok. You tell me why I’m wrong in your first paragraph and tell me why I’m right in your second.

    Which is it?

    PS, I’m making no assumptions.I just find it odd they mention two baseball players three times each in their document, and they mention no other person. It’s confusing.
     
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    The claim in your title is false. No books were banned and FL schools offer a number of books on Rosa Parks. Standing by for your apology and retraction
     
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    Why, you won't get it.
    But here ya got

    In March of 2022, The Florida legislature drafted the Parental Rights in Education bill. which has absolutely nothing to do with Disney.
    The bill had overwhelming support in Florida to include over 60% of Democrats.

    The Walt Disney Company came under fire after it was discovered they donated to all the sponsors of the bill.
    OMG imagine that.
    Disney wasn't even paying attention to this bill until the media controversy began to surround it

    Disney released a lackluster statement and their CEO Chapek later emailed all Disney employees regarding the bill, but did not denounce it. Employees and Cast Members spoke out, and members of Disney Media Entertainment and Distribution released a statement which backfired on CEO Chapek.

    Then overnight, Chapek decided to name the bill, the Don't say Gay bill and threated Florida legislators, if you don't repeal the bill, Disney will spend whatever it takes to have their bill repealed.

    In response to the decision from Disney, DeSantis’ spokesperson Christina Pushaw stated “Woke corporations do not have veto power over bills passed by a legitimately elected state legislature … If CEOs want to make policy, they should quit and try running for elected office in Florida on a ‘K-3 gender studies’

    And thats how Disney attacked DeSantis and the Florida legislature to but their micky mouse nose where it doesn't belong. Theme parks don't threaten state legislatures to repeal bills supported by the majority of the voters.

    Now if you think you can dispute with actual facts instead of fake media claims, help yourself
     
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    Without addressing your blow by blow, I don't see that as a justification for attacking the Disney corporation.

    Corporations can say what they want.

    And, you're not identifying anything that they did or said that is illegal.
     
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    So you think theme parks given special tax privileges should be able to overturn state legislation and reverse state laws anytime they want because it doesn't work for their narrative.
    And the votes have no say.
    Interesting
    Seems their own stock holders disagreed with you.
     
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    Disney can not overturn legislation, so that claim of yours is preposterous.

    What they CAN do is add political support for or against issues of their choice.

    I'm really shocked that Republicans could favor using the power of the government to attack a privately held corporation.
     
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    A 3 minute book does all of that? Wow! Who would’ve guessed that one three minute book read in a classroom where kids do not always take note could overcome all the input they get from classmates, parents, friends, relatives, TV and online.

    You want unity in your nation? Ban the Faux network and especially twonks like Hannity and Carlson
     
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    No the Rosa Parks book doesn't do that. It's the sentiment that in today's discourse in the classroom that creates it. I read a lot of the same curriculum, with no such fanfare. There isn't a need to ban a news network, but there is a need to assure that teachers are accurately and properly teaching US history to their students.

    A lot of new parents(age:30-upward) are shocked, because what's being taught to their kids, was not taught in that manner to us in the same circumstances. Yes, we knew of Jamestown, but no and I mean no one ever made the argument that was the birth place of the US!

    These errors are monumental, and they are the cause of the social disagreements we're experiencing.
     
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    What social disagreement that we are experiencing is traceable to blunders about Jamestown.
     
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    To me, "1619" and CRT are all tied together in a neat lil bow that says "America sucks and a vast majority of Americans who aren't even related to the people of the times, let alone culpable for those times are now responsible for whatever ills and grievances you have today, in 2023."

    And given how catastrophically un-American both of those 'teaching curriculums' are, Desantis is right and the US federal government itself should remove such materials from our education spaces. It's funny how everyone feared the Kremlin interjecting, but this anti-US sentiment was allowed to be spewed, rent free.
     
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    That direction is clearly opposed to education.

    You can not afford to be so embarrassed that understanding the topic must be prevented BY LAW.

    Besides, suggesting that America itself is unAmerican is just plain ridiculous. America is a great country. The idea that we've never made mistakes is just flat out BS. And, those mistakes are lessons to us as we continue making America the outstanding nation it can be.

    The only explanation for blocking education on race is that those in control are racist.
     
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