Biden declares himself 'blameless' if US defaults on debt: 'I've done my part'

No, it's an issue for every president and every Congress. As I've already explained, it's reached a tipping point, and tolerance for that needs to end.

 

And the solution to the incredible incompetence of the Biden administration is, as always- blame it on Trump. You might as well step back a bit further and look at what took place in the Obama administration.
You may have heard that part of the problem with "draining the swamp" is the alligators. Every president has a pack of them left over from the previous president.

I remember Harry Truman- and he was famous for a sign on his desk, that said "The Buck Stops Here". That was the last president to take that position.

 

Any person who was rational and had self respect understands that lack of prosecutable proof does not mean the crime did not happen; it only means that either those who did it were very good at deception, or that it's done with wide support in the conspiricy to deny it. Damn, there's that word again- Denial.

If a liberal walked through a charred field of stumps, would he say there was no fire because nobody saw it? Of course, he would, if his political narrative was on the line.

ALL real Americans of all parties who have any character at all want the same basic things- honesty in government, responsibility, accountability- and positive results.
How many of those things do you have?
Do you realize your freedom depends on their existence?

And I'm not "for" Trump- but I am for the policies he endorsed, and the idea of making the nation great. Making the people strong, just, proud and productive.
That seems to be offensive to the leftists, which is a lot like shooting yourself in both feet.

 

Presidents can veto spending bills.

 

How very republican of you to not even understand that which you are debating…….

1. What we are discussing in the “debt ceiling” debate is paying the bill on money already spent under previous administrations

2. 1/4 of our entire national debt was spent during the Trump administration. THAT is what we are debating paying right now.

3. The full 1/4 of that national debt that the republicans are screaming about is money they THEMSELVES actually spent. Im NOT talking about them as republicans, but these actual republicans, including the Uber hypocritical Kevin McCarthy who voted to SPEND THAT MONEY he now is declining to pay for. !!!!

 

So you rant on about how “liberals” cant see whats in front of their faces, while you yourself literally try to make the claim that just because their isn't proof, doesn't mean it didn’t happen. You cannot be serious on that one ? Your analogy lacks something very important to the debate, and that is “their was no fire”…..the stumps are still trees…..

You WANT to see stumps so you can claim fire, but the trees are alive and well. Your entire premise is build on the idea that you see stumps, when in reality what you see are trees. Someone told you there were stumps, you believe them, therefore You have CHOSEN to see the stumps…

 

OK….we agree, we need to cut spending….but the Debt ceiling is NOT about new spending, its about defaulting on money we already spent.

Of the national debt of $28 trillion, encompassing our 250 year history, the republicans in the last congress (4 years) under Trump, they spent $6 trillion of it!!!! They are now screaming about not paying that debt, because they know that will hurt democrats in the next election. We’re not talking about “party” here, we’re talking about the actual people now claiming we need “fiscal responsibility” are the ones who actually spent the most of it, AND the ones defending them on this board are the ones who voted for them.

You cant make this stuff up with a team of writers. The current Republican voters, and those they elected spent in the last 4 years of our whole 250 year history, 1/4 of our entire national debt!!! It took us 242 years to spend $18 trillion, and then the “fiscals conservatives” took office and spent $6 trillion in 4 years. Now you want to claim to be the party of fiscal responsibility and we’re supposed to believe/follow that ?

Not gunna happen….

 

Strange how the tolerance always ends under a Democratic president and gets a pass with a Republican one.

If you want to see changes vote for those people but threatening to shut down government after congress has approved and passed a budget is unconscionable.

 

There is a difference in the way the debt is now financed.

Before Biden debt was sold to expand world trade currency and to banks world-wide for use as security reserve currency.

In his infinite stupidity Biden or his handlers, confiscated 300 billion dollars from Russia, proving no one using dollars is safe,
and banned Russia from international currency transactions (SWIFT, based in Belgium).

So the dollar is rapidly losing it's position as the world reserve currency and medium of exchange.

Why he could not leave well alone I don't know.

We very soon won't be able to get away with printing the amount of money we used to.

 

Seriously? You are objecting to us seizing dollars from a rogue nation as a sanction and arguing THAT in a thread about Congressional failure to raise the debt ceiling?

EVERY dollar (and life) we take from Russia is a GOOD thing... period...

I'm not sure you yet realize how long it's going to take for Russia to rejoin the world order again.....

 

Strawman fallacy and deflection. As if the motive of the OP post has anything to do with the reality of the situation. Joe Biden is our current President and this is a current events section of the forum. If you want a historical discussion or a trip down memory lane perhaps start a thread in the opinion section.

So do you think Joe Biden has any responsibility for the current situation and/or resolving the current situation?

 

With typical lib-logic, you missed the point.
No question there would have been a fire- the deniers, IF it serves their purpose will say it's not so because they didn't see it.
The left sees what it wants to see, and reality has no impact on it for them.

 

Beginning with dishonesty invalidates all comments made. Nothing strawman pointing out a factually dishonest thread start.

 

Fiscal irresponsibility can't go on forever, because ultimately the default will be one that can't be escaped, and the nation can't survive.
This in part due to the people who invariably vote for those who promise to give them things someone else will pay for-
but it's primarily leadership who is supposed to refuse to spend money we do not have, and who have both the power and the duty to do so.

When and where are you going to draw the line? Never?

Consequences are the worlds best teachers- and without them, nobody learns anything except that there are no consequences and anything goes.
This Congress and this administration are asking us to save them from the consequences of mismanagement, at least in the public acceptance of it without hold them accountable.
Not for the first time- but in a way that has become automatic approval of all overspending, which ays they have no-limit credit cards, and you and I pay the bill.

They're telling you it's unconscionable to form a public view that they have no choice. The same people who spent the money are the ones who can move over the debt limit again.

Congress- has raised the debt limit 78 times in the last 63 years.

It's always "unconscionable" to respect the limit, which they themselves established...... They have to pretend they have no choice and hate to do it... but the only reason it comes to this is they refuse to manage responsibly in the first place. The reason they carry on like it was such a critical thing- is so you don't make the correct assumption that they really don't give a damn about spending and debt, because it's your money they're spending.

How long will you buy that crap?

Don't fool yourself. A nation can fail from poor fiscal management just like an individual or a corporation. It just takes longer.

 

Cool story, but it’s really not.

 

He has done his part.
The budget was in effect since Oct 1 2022 and is good until Sept 30 2023.

Congress needs to do their job. Pay the bills they agreed to in 2022.

 

Republicans only care about it when they are not in the WH.

If they really care, they can draw the line when they get power. Like they had in 2017 under trump. But decided instead to spend more them democrats. While reducing the intake of funds.

Dems = tax and spend
Repubs = borrow and spend

 

According to this fake ass installed president who is currently squatting in the White House.... Nothing at all is his fault.

 

There are such things as tipping points but you've gone beyond the conceptual capabilities of some of the people here.

There was even an experiment done with the space shuttle Challenger, where decisions were made to readjust the launch temperatures downward with a belief that a little more would still be Okay,

and then it no longer was Okay...

But there are people who still don't get it.

 

Nice job dancing around the question.

 

Which righty to believe..............that is the question.

 

All down to Joe, ey? Have a look at the facts, especially the graph....including and especially when Humpty was POTUS.

Link.

 

That is because the republicans are too bust screwing themselves

 

I don’t see anywhere in his comment that made a claim about other presidents