Are we all clear now that Trump is a criminal?

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  1. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Sen Chuck Grassley entered into the congressional record. Do you have a comment yet?
     
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  2. conservaliberal

    conservaliberal Well-Known Member

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    Oh, come on, I'm not "the enemy". I'm a kind of person you may be unfamiliar with, an unaffiliated Independent!

    Neither of us wants Trump or Biden anywhere near the White House after election day 2024. Trump would be a vengeful dictator, and Biden is so thoroughly incapacitated that it's all he can do to sign things he doesn't understand put in front of him by people who tell him what to do.

    Anyway, you may be right. If Biden's accusers can't bring him down with the weight of all the evidence that is surfacing now about his alleged $5,000,000 Ukrainian oligarch bribe, then Joe will skate!

    You offer a lot of supposition in your arguments, so I'll suggest one of my own. How about a race in 2024 between DeSantis and RFK Jr.? Your research, although it produces highly biased conclusions, is actually pretty good. Who would win that hypothetical race?
     
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  3. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Which is why these sentences were in the post you replied to.
     
  4. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Based on this post, it seems you don't know what double standards are.

    Biden has returned all the documents he had that he wasn't suppose to have.
    trump only returned some. And did NOT cooperate when asked to return the others.

    There's no double standard. There's complying and not complying.
     
  5. conservaliberal

    conservaliberal Well-Known Member

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    I won't say you're wrong, Natty. My crystal ball isn't perfect, but in a "perfect world", I see Trump convicted on a few of the charges that have been brought against him, but with many of them dismissed for various reasons. Ultimately he'll just go back to Mar a Lago, sulk, have a few tantrums, and play golf for the rest of his life.

    And, on the other side, if the evidence continues to mount against Biden in this Burisma scandal, he'll pull a "Nixon" and either resign or just not run in 2024 after all, for "health reasons", of course. Cutting to the chase, I see 2024 being a race between DeSantis and RFK Jr., even though nobody else does, evidently.
     
  6. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Of course you don't. Because you all are making it up.
    Comparing apples and oranges.

    One complied with the law when asked, the other tried to subvert the law when asked.

    How some can't see this is willful blindness.
     
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  7. dairyair

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    The Biden story will go away once he's no longer in office. Because there's really no story there.

    Biden releases his tax returns. There'd be a money trail somewhere if he accepted bribes.
     
  8. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    I understand that you are upset.

    The reality is that Trump has been indicted on 37 counts, and you would prefer that the President be indicted.

    That is not the case.

    You can click your ruby slippers together all you want.
     
  9. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Oh! You mean the ones stored next to the tapes of the guy Trump appointed to the FBI conspiring with an army from Andromeda to take over the planet. Nobody has addressed those either so... that means they DO exist.

    We all know that everything that MAGAs make up and serious people don't address is automatically willed into existence by the MAGAs. Like the evidence that Obama was born in Kenya, or that Dominion hacked voter machines, or that Hillary was running a pedophile ring under a Pizza place, or the ones in which the Clintons ordered the assassination of Seth Rich, or.... too much MAGA evidence to list in one post.
     
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    There would be no money trail if Biden's financial "advisors" were careful about how the laundered they money, and there are many different ways to do that, as you know.

    I think I agree with the idea that both Trump and Biden will exit the political stage before the 2024 election, for different reasons. That will surely be a good thing for the rest of us. And keep your eye on RFK Jr. I know a lot of Democrats don't like him, but he has "star power" and he actually is a lot more fair and balanced than a lot of the fringe-liberal Democrats are today, and that may offer a lot of appeal to Independent voters (like moi). 8)
     
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  11. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I only know you are either a MAGA supporter, or somebody who gives credibility to MAGA propaganda even when there is no evidence... in fact... even when it has been properly disproven.

    I want Biden in the WH more than I wanted him in 2020. He has proven to be much more competent than I thought he would be.

    Like I said: all I know about you is that you are either a MAGA supporter or somebody who drank the MAGA kool-aid.

    You try TOO hard to make us believe that you are some sort of "independent". You aren't. You are actually more dependent than any of us because you are dependent of BOTH sides. So your posts end up looking like a caricature.

    I offer NO supposition. Read my sig!

    NOW you mention two people I wouldn't want anywhere near the WH in 2024. The good news is that neither has much of a chance (I'd say none) of getting there.
     
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  12. Trixare4kids

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    All the time, every time. Like I said, I don't get it. These are the same people who were so sure Trump colluded with Putin too.
     
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    There's always a money trail.
    That amount of money can't be moved without it having originated from somewhere and deposited somewhere.
     
  14. Overitall

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    All I can say is if they didn't have double standards, they would have none.
     
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    The thing about reelecting Biden is that the country would really be getting President Word Salad because Biden is just too old and feeble to complete his second term. Hell, maybe even his first term. I agree RFK Jr. (though a kook) is better than the Biden team.

    Me, I've voting for DeSantis.
     
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    You're cherry picking.
     
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    I've decided on Desantis also. For one thing Trump will essentially be a lame duck POTUS since he can only serve one term. That one term most likely will be a repeat of the democrats doing all they can to obstruct him.
     
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    I'm not certain they necessarily 'love' to do it. They are simply repeating what they've been told to repeat. In many cases, they aren't interested in reading the indictment because they don't have to - they've been told its a political witch hunt and that's good enough for them.
     
  19. Natty Bumpo

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    An astute assessment, although I wouldn't venture a guess who would be the Democratic nominee if it isn't Biden .
     
  20. Golem

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    Not if you're Biden. If you're some average Joe, you could try and you might have a better then 50-50 chance of getting away with it. Absolutely NOT if your name name is Biden and the guy who ran against you was President for four years with all the country's security apparatus at your disposal.

    Unless... you drank the kool aid and believe that some all-powerful "Deep State" that never makes a mistake exists and that ONLY the same guys who just happen to be the same we already know have been making up all sorts of conspiracy theory for decades (pizza-gate, Obama birth certificate, Seth Rich, Dominion, Steele, ... too many to list) , have managed to "uncover" and that, even though every single one of those have been proven to be fabrications... THIS ONE... just happens to be the crown jewels.

    To any regular rational American, it's just another made up conspiracy theory like all those that preceded them.
     
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    How.

    One complied, one did not. What's the cherry picking?
     
  22. Natty Bumpo

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    Thus, the disparity between jurors who cannot avoid confronting and assessing the evidence, and prejudiced kibitzers who can cavalierly dismiss it if it doesn't fit their ideological dogma.
     
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    The leftist lamestream media is telling them that there is no FBI document or that Comer and his team has made all this up because the accusation has already been disproven by the FBI.
     
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    You're zeroing in on just one aspect.
     
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    Since imagination is being given free reign, one scenario:

    The law finally catches up with a bitter, deluded, ruined, former casino operator, schlock-tv entertainer, and scam artist who is forced to sell a vulgar pleasure palace in Florida to a regular guy retiree from Delaware who, inexplicably, comes up with the cash as if its chump change. (He shrewdly specifies that the former resident's boxes all be removed, especially from the ridiculous chandeliered bathroom.)

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