What The Liberal-Left Does Not Understand About Trump

There is evil in all of us… but some much more than others like Trump or the Clinton’s. Why are you so stuck on Trump when there are republicans far more moral and ethical as him? Do you see Trump’s immorality as more effective than having a much more honest and civil republican?

What corruption has Trump defeated that a more moral, ethical and civil republican could not defeat?

 

Guess what, they are all corrupt. As a matter of fact, pretty much everybody is corrupt. Are there honest people out there? Perhaps, but try to find one that can be successful in this system at this time. My God, even the schools are horrible dys-functional!

This country was MUCH better off under Trump than Biden. Can we agree on that?

 

I am not so stuck on Trump. There happens to be 100M people who are, though. What do these people know that the rest of us don't? Are we the enlightened ones and they are all idiots?

 

I'll admit that I'm confused by your comment. Overturning a court decision minority rule? The courts are the least democratic, and most oligarchic feature of the American system. Especially when that same court decision drops the democratic choice down to the states, allowing each State to make the decision on their own. Believing that the courts are more democratic than actual elections sounds like a Frank Burns version of democracy.



"Unless we each conform, unless we obey orders, unless we follow our leaders blindly, there is no possible way we can remain free."

MAJ Frank Burns; MASH 4077th

 

NOPE.

 

First let me say I appreciate you taking the time to talk to me about this. I really do want to understand Trump supporters and talking with people like you really helps.

All people are corrupt but not to the same degree. I do not see this as a good reason to support extremely immoral people like Trump or the Clinton’s. The older I get (pushing 60) the more moral I become. Seems to me the older Trump gets the more corrupt he becomes. I don’t remember Trump being so unhinged in the 1980’s.

I see America as the worst it has been in my adult lifetime since Trump rose to power. The most important measures to me are the increasing political polarization and animosity in both tribes. Such division is not tenable and if we keep on this destructive corse something very bad will happen. I see the political right and left heading towards authoritarianism, which I cannot support. A Trump America is good for some and a nightmare for others just as a Biden America is good for some but a nightmare for others.

I am a moderate, I prefer cooperation and respect, both of which are a requisite for a healthy functioning democracy. But then again I don’t think the RNC or DNC are much into democracy anymore.

 

I agree with Socrates and think he would say that democracy is akin to the lunatics running the insane asylum. Although he used a ship, passengers and captain analogy. We the people are the ones placing these idiots in power. Seems to me that we the people are the problem.

 

Data from either or perhaps both Gallup and Pew show that most Americans support abortion in one form or another.

Love the quote by the way. It is paradoxical and hints at the immense complexity of trying to balance freedom with order.

 

People who work for government or business are represented by the "Liberal-Left" (liberals?)? Who else id there? Business owners?

Lots of small businesses are corporations.

Small business.

Big corporations do things for us we can't do with small business.

The people have to be complicit in that they vote for the pols you say are massively corrupt. Are the people dupes?

Trump is a false prophet.

America has one party--the Business Party--with Democratic and Republican wings.

Republicans are no different. Money has influence.

Trump is a crook, not a martyr.

Ramaswamy is trying out for Vice President. If he plays his cards right and gets lucky, he could become President.

 

Straight from the Reality Free Zone.

 

Nobody is unclear about what Democrats have done to our political system.
"Irony does not capture the deviousness of the Democrats’ decision to impeach Trump for asking Ukraine to look into this corruption..."

The same Dems squarely behind Bribed Biden, his at least $20 in bribes from foreign Oligarchs, weaving through a maze of 20 shell companies and emptying into the bank accounts of 9 different Biden's including some of the Grandchildren, once 'insistently rained down bogus concerns that he was violating the Emoluments Clause because wealthy foreigners continued to stay at his hotels.'

And they wonder why, after all these indictments, that Trump is leading in the latest poll, beyond the margin of error? Few can stand Trump's personality, but we were prosperous while he was president. Inflation wasn't an issue, wages were rising AND HE DIDN'T START ANY NEW FOREIGN WARS. Biden's been in office two and half years and lost the war in Afghanistan and has us in a nowhere stalemate in Ukraine with no announced strategy, he just wants lots and lots and lots more spending, and he's added 84,000 more IRS agents, enough to overflow many football stadiums.

 

you're neither a RINO or conservative. you never were. you're a lefty through and through

Anyone who joins the cause of these shitbag ass democrats has zero moral authority to lecture conservatives.

 

Only limp-wristed candy-assed white guys who think they are smarter than everyone else write such things. They refer to themselves as the liberal elite. Then they ask mommy to make them a sandwich while they play video games.

 

the above post proves my point perfectly.

 

What is pathetic is that you believe Trump actually gives a sh*t about regular people.

As to your OP: I find it interesting that you rail against the corporate state, but adore the one who gave corporations the biggest tax cut ever, in the whole world. And that tax cut was permanent, whereas the peanut tax cut for regular people was not. What did you gain from this corporate tax cuts? Why do you support people who do the bidding for the corporations?

 

All verifiable truths!^^^

 

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The Trump cult obsesses over the "LL [Liberal-Left]" that festers in their noggins.

Of course, that is their ever-metastasizing paranoia talking

More Americans voted against Trump than for him in 2016 by a margin of nearly three million, and in 2020, after having seen his sorry shtick, by a margin of over seven million. He extended his unpopularity to 2022, costing the GOP dearly by his crackpot endorsements.

More Americans disapproved, consistently and relentlessly, of the shlock-tv entertainer/sexual abuser (now also known as Inmate No. P01135809) throughout his tenure as president, plunging to a grande finale of 34%.

Trump finishes with worst first term approval rating ever​

Most patriotic Americans still agree that he stinks:

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Of course, I have only provided the empirical data, and mindless dogma is a very different matter.

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LOL. I don't think this is sarcasm here.

Let's take my state, mostly, like 90% conservative. We have passed a law, and the governor, Abbott, signed it, commonly called the "death star bill." Officially, it is HB 2127. The whole point of the bill is that municipalities cannot override what the state legislature does or what the governor says in certain aspects such as water breaks for construction workers or other itemps specifically prohibited in the bill. The municipalities belong to the state and the state dictates to the municipalities on certain items. Does that sound like Freedom to you? Or it is coming from the "Liberal Left?" Hell no. We also have examples in Florida, Tennessee, Georgia, North Carolina, and others who are more interested in who want to know what goes on in the bedroom, the classroom, the business board meetings, etc more than what what you are saying here, all by conservatism and Trump's popularism idealogy from education, civil rights to the LGBTQ, abortion and other social issues, and so forth.

Yes, the government is "big" with the the largest department being the Department of Defense with over 800k civilian employees. This excludes any active military personell in the DoD with an annual budget of over $800 billion per year. That is almost 50% of the discretionary spending in our federal budget. And if you look at the Federal budget, over 60% of the budget is nondiscretionary spending such as SS, Medicare, VA benefits, etc. Interest payments are taking a bigger and bigger chunk of the Federal Budget every year no matter what the interest rate is currently. And we still have a revenue and spending problem. It is both, not one or the other. And yes, we do have a lot of departments and agencies, mostly because we live in a complex world and people and groups take advantage over the creases in that. We saw that on 9/11 with an Agency called INS.

For Vivik, this is the guy who would allow China to invade Taiwan, who would allow Russia to continue to the unprovoked attack on Ukraine, who has no effing idea about foreign or domestic policy. His whole stance is that he is auditioning to become Trump's VP. Trump, right after the debate, wanted his followers to pick his VP among the 8 candidates. And none of them had an original idea to begin with. And with Trump facing four indictments with a possibiltiy of being convicted on two of them by the time the Republican National Convention convenes, that is not the best we can hope for by a long mile.

 

If you mean the Russia collusion hoax, you're right.

 

LOL, Trump added much to the deficit even before covid hit with the Republicans controlling both houses of the legislature from 2017 to January 2019. How do you account for a federal deficit of $790 Billion in FY 2017 and another $900 billion in FY 2018. As for Covid, his policies, especially after May 2020 were mostly to blame on him and his administration.

 

Of course it has been proven. Circumstantial evidence is valid in court proceedings. Nobody is going to prosecute because these two characters are democrats. instead the left engages in election interference with invented and inapplicable charges for supposed victimless crimes. Hillary, for instance was the queen of election interference with the Russia collusion fraud and was never charged. She (and Biden) held classified documents illegally and has never been charged. It couldn't be more obvious. I really hate election interference and would like to see all purveyors of it be charged. But it doesn't work that way. Hence the term two tiered justice system I hear in the media.

 

Perhaps because there is no choice. Politicians appear to be amoral as a group. They can't succeed at politics with morality. Time to start training the voters.

 

You do understand Trump was one of them before entering politics.

Trump was/is one of the wealthy elite from the most liberal city in USA, Trump who donated millions of $$$ his entire life to liberal politician including “crooked Hilary” and Chuck Schooner. Trump’s entire life was Pro-choice, anti-gun and mingled with all the elite liberal like Rev Sharpton, Bill Clinton, Crooked Hilary and ether “educator machine”

Now all of a sudden Trump is “ man of the people”. And you believe that?

 

Trump is the only POTUS who lost more jobs in his time as President then any other POTUS in last 100 years.

I just wonder what Trump’s economy worked for you?

 

Really? You doubt it was his fault? Who's fault is it then? Doesn't the buck stop with potus? And the number was racked up PRIOR to covid.