What The Liberal-Left Does Not Understand About Trump

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  1. impermanence

    impermanence Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure who you think you are but I believe both of our interests will be met if we end this conversation now.
     
  2. Zorro

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    The folks on the Left trying to weaponize political charges do not understand that the more underhanded and unethical that they are, the more they empower Trump.

    The Left that is trying to jail their leading political opponent are not "Liberal" they are the opposite, they are Illiberal, and they want to hide their authoritarianism, but, voters are detecting it, and they do not like it. That's probably why Trump is leading the latest poll by 3 points.

    Weaponized Collusion: Lying Jack Smith's Team Huddled With Bribed Biden White House Before Trump Indictment

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    "They have trashed every ethical rule that exists and they have created a state police..."

    I'm still shocked that 84% of Democrats still view this clearly corrupt WH as "ethical". Some suggest that 71% belief in the ethics of someone indicates a "cult like devotion" when it comes to Trump and they don't want to discuss it any further when asked "then what does 84% belief indicate?"

    Bribed Biden is a great counter-truth indicator. Whatever he denies is probably true.

    Bribed 'Biden has repeatedly claimed that the Justice Department has full autonomy and isn't 'weaponized' against political opponents.'

    That's your 'tell'. Bribed Biden denies weaponization, that's your tell that it most certainly IS weaponized, but there is more.

    'Just weeks before Special Counsel Jack Smith brought charges against Donald Trump for allegedly mishandling classified documents, one of his top aides met with the White House counsel's office, raising serious concerns about coordinated legal efforts against Biden's top political opponent going into the 2024 election.'

    'Bratt not only met with Biden's staff at the White House while investigating Donald Trump and weeks before Trump was charged, Bratt is the senior DOJ official who insisted on securing a warrant and sending an FBI SWAT team to Mar-a-Lago; and, Bratt stands accused by Stanley Woodward, who represents Walt Nauta in the documents case, of extorting him (Bratt told Woodward that the judgeship he is seeking has a better chance if his client turns on Trump). Judge Cannon should order, from the bench, that all records related to Bratt's meetings and discussions at the White House be preserved and provided to the court; and, she should ask the DC judge who has been dragging his feet in his secret review of the allegation against Bratt by Woodward transfer that matter and all the information related to it to her as it clearly bears on the document case that is now before her and in her jurisdiction.'

    This is a very dirty WH.

    And that's what they do not understand about Trump. The more they lie, cheat, and act in an underhanded fashion toward Trump the more powerful he becomes.

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    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No. Biden is ahead handily.

    And Biden hasn't even started campaigning.

    And Trump's troubles are just starting.

    It's not going to be close. Biden will win easily.


    Making up bizarre conspiracy theories isn't going to help Trump at all. The legal system doesn't care about such nonsense. The public doesn't care, because they know your side always lies about every single thing (see: The Boy Who Cried Wolf). You can keep claiming that your DearLeader and all members of TheParty are above the law, but Americans don't agree with that kind of corrupt thinking.
     
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  4. LangleyMan

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    You're looking at race through a lens of people who don't race mix. Times are changing...

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    Cultures are mixing. I saw it happen in my years of teaching high school students and adults.
    So, you're telling countries with homogenous culture they're as "interesting as broadcast television?" Have you travelled to such places?

    You know, this all gets back to what I see as an unrealistic notion blacks should fix their culture, as though that's possible when there is no consistent culture to repair.
     
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    This is a huge problem for guilty defendants. Sitting on a jury is different than popping off in a bar.
     
  6. impermanence

    impermanence Well-Known Member

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    First of all, I am in a mixed marriage...are you?

    Secondly, do you get the idea that white people are going to fix black culture? Those who have spent the last sixty years attempting such have created an incredible mess. White people need to work on their own culture.
     
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    Not necessarily. A small government can be incredibly corrupt because the information chain can be completely controlled. It's nearly impossible to
    keep secrets in a large government system when so many people are involved. A government with just a king or administrator who controls the military,
    can become very corrupt, and is almost impossible to stop short of bloody revolution.

    Nobody ever claimed a Democracy would be an efficient form of government.
     
  8. LangleyMan

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    It killed a million Americans, fer crissake.
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    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    If we had done as well as Canada, we would have had 464,670 deaths instead of 1,173,394. That means 708,724 Americans died needlessly.
     
  9. Alwayssa

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    The laws and regulations is because we live in a complex world today.

    Yes, the Erie Canal which was built because of trade between the Canadian border on the US side and our interior in upstate NY and the US, especially in the ports on the Eastern Seaboard. This save tons of money and time since sailing ships were only able to do between 5 to 10 knots max assuming the wind holds true up lake Erie through the British Canadian Territories, and onward to the Eastern ports or by mule, which was long and more time consuming by traditional ship, not to mention mules can only carry a far lesser load than ship. But private businesses built the canal and the state government paid for it as your own link shows. And that is still true today. We just gotten fancy with block grants, or that partnership between private businesses and government when writing regulations.
     
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    None of the charges are political. They are criminal, under specific statutes either under state law or under federal law depending on the indictment. That's it. Nothing more, and nothing less.

    Now, Trump and others will have their day in court. Some are even having motions filed and the first one wlll be heard in Atlanta. Trump lost the motions he filed in NYC, all of them. And even lost a couple he filed in Atlanta on dismissing the case.
     
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    There is no defined "black culture" to fix. One-quarter of black men marry outside their race.

    And what are the characteristics of "black culture" in need of repair?
    As a high school history teacher, I've noticed over the years how students identify less and less with a particular culture.
     
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    No evidence, just more ridiculous claims.
     
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    It means the larger government is, the more it's subject to manipulation large corporate entities.
     
  14. impermanence

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    If what you claim is the case, then there would be little chance that anybody could get away with anything where the exact opposite is true, that is, everybody is [more or less] corrupt so nobody says anything and even when somebody does they hold them out to be crazy. Deep seated political corruption is harder to get rid of than trying to get the smell of cat urine out of your wool rug!
     
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    How about having a father in the house? How about having schools where kids can actually learn? How about a lot of things that have broken down since the government came in and destroyed the black community.

    That's what happens when you are obsessed with your self 100% of the time.
     
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    Yes they are.

    'the problem Jack Smith has is that Congress has not enacted statutes that criminalize the behavior that Smith is talking about. But what he has to do is distort statutes in order to try and pigeonhole the behavior into them…The statutes on the books now are vague, and otherwise Congress hasn’t criminalized that.”

    https://dailycaller.com/2023/08/01/andy-mccarthy-jack-smith-indictment-trump/
     
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    Actually, he has repeatedly admitted publicly to doing many of the charges, he just believes they aren't criminal or at the very best not criminal while president. If he wins that argument but everyone else goes to prison would you be happy? That's purely a rhetorical question because the other defendants will turn on him faster than Flash.
     
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    Despite your chart this is opinion, not fact. The death certificates were completed without autopsy. The fact is that millions of people died while testing positive for covid. Let's be honest.
     
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    When a government gets overly large it has more people whose main job is to invent potential laws and rules. With a smaller size, the laws and rules are likely to be more important and sensible. There isn't time or people to worry about banning light bulbs, or gas ranges or gasoline. The overbearing nature of federal government results directly from its size.
     
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    I've found the only people who don't understand Trump are his supporters. They buy his fake patriot shtick and actually think he's the character he plays on their TVs.

    What would be better said about the liberal left is that they don't understand Trump's voters and why they support him and why a man like him was able to become as influential as he has. He's a man who, in pretty much every other circumstance, would be condemned for his behavior by the very voters who swoon over him.
     
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    Businesses don't manipulate government. Government manipulates businesses. Government has the power and is corrupt enough to take money from the businesses in return for favors.
     
  22. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    He hasn't broken any of the laws with which he's been charged.

    If Trump wins the argument, no one goes to prison, unless they get busted for a process crime.
     
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    Your opinion, but your opinion does not count in the legal world. They were indicted by four grand juries using the code as their guide, and the evidence presented to them. That is our judicial process. The only reason, and I do mean the only reason, why you are upset is because your Dear Leader got caught with his pants down four times legally and pretty much most of his former staff and current employees at Mar A Lago have snitched on him. You are making the same argument in the 1970s as with certain Black Panthers who were tried and convicted of murder. Even they said that was a "political crime" in the 1970s. And that is the type of company that makes these rediculous, naive statements.
     
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    LOL. In the Documents case, he had 32, count them, 32 counts where he held government documents for over a year and a half. For that year and a half, the NARA has asked, pleaded, and demanded Trump turn over all documents. Twice, Trump, through his lawyers, have said they have and it turned out that he hasn't from that Mar A Lago Search warrant in August 2022. These documents were not personal, not his, not even in the care of the NARA for whatever reasons Trump has given. And it does not matter if they were classified or not. The fact that they were classified, showed classified documents to people who weren't supposed to look at them because he wanted to show off his bravado is against the law, a criminal in 18 USC 796(e). And I can make the same case for any and all other indictments.

    Trump's only legal recourse now is through the judicial system. He can plead guilty and admit his guilt before the judge, or he can go to trial. And a trial will be held. It won't be dismissed, not even Meadows's case before the court today, because immunity does not mean what you think it means.
     
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    Biden had government documents for 14 years. Why isn't that just as illegal?

    How the National Archives NEVER asked for all the docs that Biden, Pence and Clinton had?
     
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