Former FBI informant charged with lying about the Bidens’ role in Ukraine business, undercutting GOP

Are you just making **** up?

Everything you just said was false.

He did claim it happened in 2015 and the FBI says it didn't happen until 2017 and they didn't talk about what he says they talked about.

Furthermore they don't provide any of the things you claimed insofar as travel records messages or other parties.

Either you didn't read it or you did read it and you're just making **** up.

You want me to quote it to you? Cause I bet you can't quote that bullshit you just said to me from that indictment

And clearly everybody who liked your bullshit post didn't read it either

 

Since it won't let me copy paste. Here's a screenshot

 

Now let's see your claims of records they provided to refute him. Cause from what I can see the only evidence they provided it didn't happen was to say it didn't happen.

 

YOU SAID: The indictment asserts that the informant DID meet with Ukraine and Burisma officials in 2015.
I SAID: The indictment does not say that - it says that he lied and did NOT meet them in 2015.

You then post a snip from the indictment of Smirnov's claim that he met them in 2015/16 - which the INDICTMENT refutes.

 

On what grounds do they refute it?

What evidence do they have to say what he says didn't happen? Do they have travel records showing he was in a different country at the time? Anything? Nope. They simply assert that these meetings didn't take place. With no evidence to back that claim up.

Firthermore the informant claimed that both the Burisma official and Biden have many text messages showing that the Burisma exec was strong armed by Biden. Is there any record these clowns met with the Burisma exec and checked his messages or Biden's messages? Nope, just that this meeting didn't happen so now we are charging him and you folks can't question him anymore lol

 

Moreover they don't technically assert that what the informant said wasn't true. What they assert is that he wasn't told this in 2015 but that he was told this in 2017 when Biden was already out of office and couldn't affect the protection of Burisma for hiring his son and that BECAUSE he was told this in 2017 and Biden couldn't have protected Burisma that it must be false. But again they provide no evidence the meeting didn't actually take place in 2015. Lol so ****ing ridiculous

 

If I'm being completely honest they technically provide two pieces of evidence that the meeting in 2015 didn't happen. 1) He met the same official in a public setting in 2017 and they acted as if they were meeting for the first time. Which shouldn't be a ****ing surprise since he's meeting these people as a confidential informant. What the actual ****.

2) they assert he changed his claim in a 2023 interview. But while the rest of his interviews are made available in the indictment, the one where they claim he contradicted himself is left out. Gee I wonder why that is because he gives another 2023 interview where he completely reaffirms his claims from the first meeting and this time he knows he's being targeted for fraud by the DOJ and he STILL reaffirms it and this is included in the indictment lol

 

No. They don't say Smirnov was told about the "bribing" in 2017. They say he claims he was told during meetings in 2015/16.

 

Let me ask you again. What evidence do they provide that the meeting in 2015 didn't take place? Much less what he said he was told wasn't told to him?

Anything? Any legitimate piece of evidence at all? A phone record showing he was in Israel when he was supposed to be in the UKraine? Travel receipts showing he was in Japan when the 2015 meeting took place? Messages from his phone from 2015? ANY legitimate piece of evidence WHATSOEVER?

Cause this is straight up Gestapo **** right here lol Charging witnesses and informants of their criminal wrongdoing with crimes so they can't be questioned. And yall are just all cool with it lol

 

You are flailing. I know you desperately want to believe Ole Joe is a criminal mastermind, but it's over.

 

No I'm cool with it. I'm just trying to get y'all to see it's wrong. Cause if you don't, when it's our turn and Trump or an even more extreme Republican charges witnesses and informants with crimes so the Dems can't question them, I don't wanna hear no crying. Cause I tried to get yall to admit it was ****ed up lol

And when it happens imma pretend like everything is kosher and above board just like yall are doing.

 

No, they,re saying that he didn't have any connection, let alone meetings, with Burisma until 2017.

And, he didn't mention these purported meetings, let alone bribery, until 2020 - even though he had been in contact with the FBI handler during that time. Not a peep.

 

lol of course he didn't because in 2017 Biden was an irrelevant actor on the world stage.

But nevertheless just because he didn't immediately mention it in NO WAY shape or form means it didn't happen.

 

You should be more careful, @TheImmortal . You’re busted. Shameful.

 

Smirnov claims he was told about the "bribery" during meetings in 2015/2016 - when Biden was most certainly relevant. So, why didn't tell his handler about it then?

 

A former VP is irrelevant? Interesting.

 

Because he didn't meet with his handler again until 2017. As specified in the docs

 

He was in regular contact with his handler, including in 2015 and 2016, so he could have told him then, at the time they happened.

The reason he didn't is that the meetings never happened.

 

Not reading anything and yet disputing the writings without facts?

 

Then it shouldn't be difficult to provide evidence they didn't happen such as his phone records or travel records. But they don't have anything like that do they?

So their entire assertion is, he didn't tell us immediately so it must be fraud. That's wholesale preposterous

Whether you admit it or not you and I both know this is nothing more than trying to keep a witness away from congress with absolutely zero evidence of their claims lol but that's cool cause this precedent means we get to do it too

 

Telling yourself that other people secretly agree with you even though they don't "admit it" is a delusional, self-comforting cop out. What you believe is what you believe. Don't tell me what I believe.

There were no meetings in 2015/2016. And yes, they have the evidence - emails, messages, travel records, etc .

 

It's absurd to "demand" evidence that will be used in prosecutions from someone on an internet forum anyway.

 

Indeed.

 

Source the evidence.

 

It wouldn't be absurd if they had actually provided any for their claim. But they didn't.