Michele Bachmann: Not teaching creationism is 'censorship'

NO... it's an established (very well established) theory but it's open to challenge and change but that challenge must be credible and most importantly ... falsifiable

 

I did not know the grand canyon was a living organism... how interesting

 

Only natural selection is based on evidence and facts and creationalism is an idiotic fringe fantasy, backed by nothing. The notion that god made Adam and Eve 4000 years ago, with dinosaws running around is beyond stupidity.

If you want to continue your country's decline, sure go for it!

 

People make fun of Muslims in the ME because they live in the stone age but christian fundamentalist are even worse. At least Christians in American have access to the information. That means they are purposefully ignorant. I'll take actual ignorance over chosen ignorance any day.

 

No it has not, it just takes an unimaginal period of time for changes to take place. Plus our intelligence and ability to create and use tools, starting with the wheel and currently with computers is undoubtedly imacting natural selection.

Take medicine as the best example, it completely skews natural selection.

 

There are hundreds of creation stories..

Bachman is an idiot.



http://www.politicalforum.com/middle-east/221895-pharaonic-inscriptions-found-arabia.html

 

Our nearest relative has indeed evolved, via naturual selection. It has eyes, arms, legs and no longer lives in a biological soup.

 

Pecos Bill created the Grand Canyon...

 

No they didn't. They are still evolving now, it's just taking them along a different path. If everything followed the same path and timing, there would only ever have been one spiecies on the planet.

 

It's not really that we adapt, certain abnormalities, traits outside the norm of a particular spiecie, give them an advantage or disadvantage. Those with the advantage survive, along with the gene which gave them the advantage. Those with the disadvantage die.

It starts with a randon abnormality and continues with the selective process advantage vs disadvantage.

 

It should only be taught in history classes as it is not the current thnking of any significant church. The vatican has conceeded defeat on this, so it doesn't even belong in RE classes nowadays. Wherever flat earth theory is taught, place it thre.

 

Over billions and billions of years, in an environment unimaginally different to our current environment.

 

I really don't think you creationists want to go down that road. Teaching the facts of the matter would amount to nothing more than official state ridicule of "intelligent design." Even someone with only a basic biology education could rip intelligent design a new one in a classroom setting. Keeping creationism out of the schools is the only thing that keeps the idea from being mocked outright in schools by science teachers.

 

Evolution is an observed fact. The "evolution" people are discussing now refers to the modern synthesis of the theory of evolution by natural selection. In other words; there are numerous examples of evolution, natural selection is a theory that explains why that happens. It's an extremely well supported theory, perhaps one of the best in science. Atomic theory might have it beat, but that too is "just a theory". So is gravity as an explanation for the attraction of masses.

 

I agree unless we plan teach all the other creation stories like those of the American Indians, Polynesians, Vikings, Egyptians etc.

Here's a short list.

http://www.magictails.com/creationlinks.html

Michelle Bachman wouldn't want to discriminate.

 

For most of the history of hominids, it wouldn't have been immediately apparent that hominids were "dominating" our closest relatives. Advanced compound toolmaking seemed to be the tipping point there. Apes as a whole were doing quite well until the 20th century.

They didn't. The other species are also evolving. They're just not evolving in the same direction. It's not like there is some ideal pinnacle (humanity) towards which all species are evolving. There are other, much more successful, species out there. Cockroaches, for example. The only thing evolution works towards is suitability for a species' environment. In that sense, many non-hominid apes were quite well suited to their environment until we started destroying their habitats.

Nonsense. All species are continuously evolving. Human researchers have even directly observed it happening for some short-lived species.

How is that even remotely a useful measure of evolution? What use has a plains-grazing ruminant for "modern society"?

This has not been as closely studied as hominid evolution. Chimpanzees and Hominids split about 5.5 million years ago. Less attention has been paid to filling in those in-between years for the chimp line than for the human line. They're our "closest living relative", but that's not to say that humans evolved from chimps--rather, humans and chimps both evolved from a common ancestor. That much is well understood from the fossil record and from genetic similarities.

Intelligent design is utterly inadequate as an explanation, and makes far less sense.

 

How about letting each school system decide what to teach and it what class it should be taught in? If you get into more conservative areas, then people know what they are getting and likely to agree with it. I think all Bachman is saying is that the Federal government shouldn't be restricting local schools.

 

And local schools could also decide whether or not to teach chemistry or Modern European history or trigonometry???

Bachman has no platform.. that's why she yaps about marriage etc.

Santorum has now jumped on the bandwagon.. wants creationism taught in schools.

Where are the Republicans getting all these drips from?

 

Here's a short list of Creation stories.

Let's spend classroom time on this instead of science, literature, etc....

http://www.magictails.com/creationlinks.html

 

I don't think that Christian parents who are worried about the anti-religious, anti-Christian tone of the public schools also want chemistry banned from the curriculum.

Anyone who thinks so is really out of touch with people of faith.

 

I went to Sunday school and church every week of my life.. didn't you?

 

Very good point. Gravity is just a theory too!

However, maybe teaching this in school would be a good way of exposing the sheer ignorance and lack of intelligence of the religious Right? The thought of well informed science teachers pouring scorn on this nonsense does actually bring a smile to my lips.

 

Yes, and I never met a Christian who was against teaching chemistry.

 

How many classroom hours do you want to devote to ancient myths?

EVERY culture and every religion has creation myths.. American Indians, Vikings, Polynesians, Egyptians, Hindus etc, etc etc.

 

I don't know.

Teaching creationism is more symbolic for them than a an absolute necessity.

What Christians object to are the attacks on Christians through the public schools where their children are held hostage for 8 hours a day.