Michele Bachmann: Not teaching creationism is 'censorship'

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  1. Leffe

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    In wanting to teach ID, they are inarvertently attempting to deny the biological chemistry that brought us to where we are. So in fact these people are attempting to remove a form of chemistry from school.
     
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    LOLOL.. When was the last time you sat in a classroom? Your claim is nonsense.

    So take your kids to Sunday school. Bible study on Wednesday nights and Vacation Bible School in the summer.
     
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    And hope that offsets the anti-Christian brainwashing the kids get Monday through Friday in the public schools?
     
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    In fairness, christianity and msot religions are simply jam packed with things that are clearly not true. Avoiding this is denying there's an elephant in the room. But religions are duty bound to hold on to a lot of these things, even under the pressure of undeniable evidence.
     
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    Schools do not teach anti-Christianity... Your claim is false.
     
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    You don't know what is true or isn't true where God is concerned.

    In fact many godless libs do not even acknowledge truths in science if it interferes with their political agenda.
     
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    Sure they do.

    And while you aren't a public teacher you have already parroted some of the anti-Christian rhetoric of the public teachers by calling creationism a myth.
     
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    Are you teaching your children that God's physical laws can be suspended?

    Do you teach them that the earth can stand still or that the earth is 5,000 years old or that Jonah lived inside a whale for three days?
     
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    Why not?

    Is there anything that God cannot do?
     
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    Of course its myth.. written after the Babylonian exile.. based in earlier mythos of the Sumerians and Ugarit....

    Its teaching narrative... not history or science.
     
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    I know that Adam and Eve were not the start point of the human race. I know that god did not create our planet in 7 days.
     
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    You're sure of that because you were there?

    I don't think you even believe in the God of Abraham do you?
     
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    You think you know but you really have no way of knowing.
     
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    A lack of any evidence is a good way of knowing.
     
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    That only proves how much we don't know not how much you do.
     
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    Enlighten us about these "truths" in science.
     
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    Schools are not there to teach some myth that god can do anything, then set a curricular based on this premise. Doing this would be insane! It would be like:

    Lesson 1.
    God can do anything.

    Exam question.

    Can god turn planet Earth purple.

    Correct answer.

    Yes.
     
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    I know that there's no evidence to support the Adam/Eve/God myth.
     
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    I know because of carbon dating technology, which clearly shows the earth and many spiecies, including our own are far older than the bible would have us believe.

    What you have as "evidence" of your "truths" is a document, written a very very long time ago, translated through various languages, in times when linguistic knowledge was not where near as advanced as it is today.

    I'll take carbopn dating every day of the week over your "evidence", and so would any sane person.
     
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    "Experimental science and intrinsic evidence cannot definitively prove historical events, and yet by reason we know they have occurred."

    The "God myth" is sustained by the evidence of everything that happens in the universe. This evidence supports a logical deduction that is fairly simple. Everything is moved by something else: the prime mover is God. This is the first of Aquinas's five proofs for the existence of God (crudely stated).

    Aquinas's proofs are summarized here:

    http://www.saintaquinas.com/belief_in_God.html

    It is not necessary to be an atheist to reject the absurdity of the Creationist's position. Darwin was a Christian and his views were accepted by a great many persons of faith in the nineteenth century. The polarization of this debate to create atheistic and Christian bigots is the result of the deliberate provocation of opponents by fundamentalist Christians in America who - very much in the same vein as islamic fundamentalists - want to crystalize a world of the faithful against the infidels, where the rejection of science and reason in favour of superstition and fancy becomes the leitmotif of the Christian Right. It is a vicious and sectarian agenda. Christianity and evolution can easily co-exist and have done so for a very long time now.
     
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    Some people are gullible.

    Some people are educated.

    That's life, hey?
     
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    http://www.politicalforum.com/middl...ic-inscriptions-found-arabia.html#post4839605

    Mac.. have you ever studied geology or archeology?

    There a whole lot of history that is not covered in the Bible.

    The Pentateuch was written to give the early Jews a history and identity.. to answer the question where do I come from.. Its their story of the Adamic line.
     
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    Can they? It seems to me not. As soon as christians (or any other religion) accepts their first incorrect premise, demonstrated by science, it opens up a whole can of worms.

    For example, we now know that Adam and Eve is not correct. Therefore we know there are incorrect statements in the bible. Are there any more? Turning water to wine? Feeding the 5000? Walking on water? A virginal birth? The parting of the sea?

    Once the lid is off, there's no putting it back on and being as religion is based off these things, the entire house of cards, which has stayed standing for so long on the basis of "blind belief" comes tumbling down.

    This is the very reason that there are still people who will argue that Natural Selection is not correct.

    By all means hold the faith that there is something more spiritual to life, but please do not base this on what is written in demonstratably inaccurate documents, written by man, a long time ago, with no foundation whatsoever.
     
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    One example I have noticed is libs who deny that unborn children are human beings when the science proves otherwise.
     
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    How does science "prove" this.

    I think you need to study the definition of a scientific proof.
     
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