Newt's ex wife drops interview bomb

I don't know that many believed the women on their face, but again..................Bill Clinton................what is the issue here? That moral scandals disqualify you? I don't think so, not anymore.

 

You can't separate the two, they go hand in hand. You can't excuse Clinton and to this day treat him with respect and honor and attack Gingrich. And that is exactly the case.

Clinton's doesn't, we KNOW how bad it was. We knew before he was elected and it got worse and he was reelected and the Democrats still hail him as a hero.

The left has NOT ground to stand on here.

Hardly , what they said we found we found. Undeclared hidden WMD materials.

They were left over, they were part of his arsenal, that they date from earlier years is of no consequence. And of course there was lots more never accounted for and lots we found he never declared.

So how about addressing this directly?

The threat Saddam posed was fully spelled out in 1998 when you lost this argument. It was upheld by all the activities we proved he was engaged in and what his plans were along with all the WMD materials and proscribed items we found. For instance how do you explain away the cache's of 55 gallon drums of highly concentrated, highly toxic organophosphates we found in hidden underground bunkers at his guarded ammo dumps stored close to empty, new chemical weapons shells? All undeclared and hidden from the inspections.

Yes what an intelligent politically astute observation you make. Guess that settles it.

 

No, that is exactly not the case. You are trying to use Clinton to give Gingrich a pass. I don't give Clinton a pass. I never have. Neither have you, I am certain. You are acting hypocritically in now giving Gingrich a pass.

Except, I'm not the left, and it is the rabid Republican partisans who skewered Clinton for sexual indiscretions that are now hypocritically claiming it doesn't matter.

Degraded mustard gas shells were not justification for the invasion of Iraq, as Santorum suggested.

That is a lie. They were not merely left over. They were degraded. They had no military use at all. The only threat they posed was the potential to cause a minor burn on someone's skin.

How about no, since it has nothing to do with the issue I brought up as it was directly related to Rick Santorum, which was about as far off topic as I was willing to go.

Your boys are a bunch of moral bankrupt, hypocritical jokes, just like the Democrats. Not only that, but they force you into the hypocritical position of denying their moral bankruptcy and share idiocy. Live with it.




Yes what an intelligent politically astute observation you make. Guess that settles it.[/QUOTE]

 

No it is exactly the case, the left and the liberals and Democrats don't have a leg to stand on criticizing Gingrich after they elected Clinton, reelected Clinton and fought to keep him in office and TO THIS DAY treat him with honor and respect on that pedestal they place him. They set the standard, these things don't matter. Spare me the attacks on Gingrich.

Hardly, you guys won, I lost the argument back with Clinton, these things don't matter.

It was a federal judge and special prosecutor who nailed him on perjury and obstruction of justice in a federal court case where he was accused of sexually molesting a subordinate employee. Spare me the attacks on Gingrich.

Degraded because he was trying to hide them from inspectors and those things don't hold up to well if not properly stored, and as his head of quality controlled told use their quaility was not very good and they had trouble storing the chemical WMD for long periods.

But so what they easy to produce and he had everything he needed to do so hidden away from the inspectors.

Yeah when you can't store them properly they degrade. We stored ours for fifty years and had just recently competed the distruction of decades old WMD that were still deadly.

But you just totally ignore his ability TO MAKE AS MUCH WMD AS HE WANTED.

So how about addressing this directly? You brought it up not me.

The threat Saddam posed was fully spelled out in 1998 when you lost this argument. It was upheld by all the activities we proved he was engaged in and what his plans were along with all the WMD materials and proscribed items we found. For instance how do you explain away the cache's of 55 gallon drums of highly concentrated, highly toxic organophosphates we found in hidden underground bunkers at his guarded ammo dumps stored close to empty, new chemical weapons shells? All undeclared and hidden from the inspections.

Well they aren't my boys, I am an independent and I don't address hyperbole.

 

How utterly childish and hypocritical of you.

How convenient for you, now, eh? I didn't win anything. I have been stuck with the likes of Clinton, Bush, and Obama for my entire voting life. The alternatives I had to vote for were Bob Dole, Al Gore, John Kerry and John McCain.

In all honesty, no matter how many times you obstinately cry "Bill Clinton", it won't change the fact that Newt Gingrich is a scumbag, two time cheater, sanctioned by the congressional ethics panel when he was the most powerful man in congress, and we haven't even touched on his lobbyist baggage that will be an utter slam dunk for Obama in the long (*)(*)(*)(*) scenario that he actually wins the nomination.

This is priceless. Are you actually arguing that the Republicans didn't absolutely and relentlessly attack Clinton on moral standards based on his sexual indiscretions in an utterly lame attempt to avoid being hypocritical now? This is perhaps the most pathetic thing I've ever seen on PF.

Except that is pure speculation on your part and doesn't hold up to rational thinking. A rational person would realize that they were left over ordinance from the Iran-Iraq war and since they weren't used during the first gulf war, likely were useless as long ago as that. It is far more likely they were burried in the desert as a means of disposal than as a means of hiding them from inspectors.


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Of course they aren't. You are simply hypocritically supporting their lack of moral character and their talking points for invasion when anyone looking at it objectively would see it as a bunch of lies aimed at herding the partisan sheep.

 

I think it helped Newt win SC.

 

Well, I think you're being a bit generous calling it "journalism", but OK....

 

I think the occupy people have shown that the best,,,not that I agree with these idiots, but many are disenchanted Obama voters for sure...

All those flowery speeches,,all that ''We care about the middle class crap'' and now telling Republicans how we should view our leaders,,,by what?,,,their example?
If anybody was ever used, mortified, lied too, and utterly trashed, it was Hillary Clinton, my God could he have done her much worse? Wait,,,check that,,,,Edwards did alright just by himself.....

Sooooo Ging says he has found God and has asked for forgiveness, is there something unholy about that? and has Clinton ever asked Lewinsky for her forgiveness? he used her like an ''Old Sock'' ...[excuse the expression,,administrative stuff],,, but according to him he is not willing to call what he did to her sex,,,HOW DEGRADING AND INSULTING IS THAT?

Is that anyway to light a CIGAR?

 

Certainly did him no harm .
Easy after the event to congratulate him on disarming the opposition , but what a risk taker .It could have gone down very badly .
Guess it was totally rehearsed with audience plants to whip up a response .

 

That's just the point. When it comes to Gingrich the conservative/republicans show that they have no moral backbone. Gingrich and the conservatives are moral spineless cowards who have to lean on Bill Clinton in order to justify Gingrich's womanizing. But it won't work. In a general election Newt will have to explain his lying cheating and womanizing on its own terms. Newt is a self proclaimed womanizer who is trying to discredit his second wife. He's totally trashed 2 women he was married to. But let’s not forget that his history of cheating goes way back. Years ago he was spotted (by a campaign manager) getting a blowjob by someone other than his wife at a community function. His kids were nearby.

Gingrich will not walk out of his self made trash pile and into the Presidency easily.

 

The hypocrisy is unreal. I can't understand how these people can make moral character an issue only when it suits their political designs, but can make every kind of excuse and disregard it when it supports the party. Absolutely disheartening and disgusting.

 

Ahhhh, but you are mistaken,,,they have plenty of backbone. Most people understand that forgiveness is the start of a new, and if one is willing to admit the transgressions of past then a new life waits ahead. Soooo however disgusting or sinful a person may seem, all true Christians are bound by this simple understanding.
Forgiveness is at our core belief...and forgiveness can hardly be called hypocritical, not when it is the basis for most Religious and even ''non Religious'' beliefs...
Is Michael Vick forgiven? or is he shunned? Is Bill Clinton forgiven? or is he shunned? Gingrich shall receive the same....and nothing less..

 

homer, it seems you just do not understand faith. We believe anybody can be forgiven and saved, I am surprised you would not know that. It's what faith is about.
It's an age old belief..

Have you ever heard anything different?

 

This is all hogwash. Newt Gingrich has proven to be morally bankrupt on several occasions and the caricature conservative Republicans want to avoid his moral bankruptcy by using Bill Clinton as an example, which is the height of hypocrisy since the caricature conservative Republicans used Bill Clinton's moral bankruptcy to make a big public display up to and including holding impeachment proceedings against him.

Gingrich is morally bankrupt. There are no two ways about it. He doesn't have the moral character to be President. Trying to use Bill Clinton as a model of why this shouldn't matter is the height of hypocrisy and such hypocrisy and lack of any true conservative standards as a party is why we're going to get stuck with another 4 years of Obama.

 

Again you invoke the name of Bill Clinton to justify the weak cowardly morally reprehensible actions of a self proclaimed womanizer. And Gingrich is trying to discredit his wife to this day after she discussed his attempt to create an open marriage.

When is Gingrich going to stop verbally trashing his ex wives? Gingrich hasn't changed.

And will be judged on his marital relations ( and rightly so) during a general election.

 

I don't care about Newt Gingrich's faith. I don't believe he has any moral standards at all. He is all about Newt. He would say and do anything if it was politically expedient, and that alone makes his "conversion" questionable. He is not fit for the office of the Presidency. He is damaged goods. I find it unbelievable that the SC Republican voters would fall for his crap, but then again, the media creates the veneer that most unthinking voters see.

 

Gingrich won women’s vote in SC primary, exit polls show

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/21/g...-in-sc-primary-exit-polls-show/#ixzz1kCeWmmYs


According to exit polling conducted by Edison Research, Gingrich won a plurality of the female vote with 36 percent of South Carolina’s voting Republican women checking his box Saturday.




Guess it did help him.

 

No confusing, he simply deserves another chance, like anybody else.

He trashed nobody, and as far as ''abusing'',,,that would be pure conjecture.
Let me be clear, I have not made up my mind on him, so partiality does not come into it. I simply believe in my heart we all deserve forgiveness and I believe him to be sincere....

Nope,,we are consistent, and forgiveness is a top priority of ours, always has been...

 

Oh not me, but if that's the best you go you ain't got anything.

As I said the left and the Democrats and the MSM wont that argument then.

What do Bush and Obama have to do with this particular issue, trying to shift the argument now.

He looks like a Boy Scout compared to Clinton and as much as you want to ignore Clinton, he is STILL a leader in the Democrat party, he is STILL treated as a honorable and respected person in the media and Gingrich deserves the same, don't you think?

For sexually molesting subordinate employees? Yes. For lying to investigators? Yes. For lying in court? Yes. For lying in front of a grand jury? Yes. For using the Oval Office as his little sexual harem, bringing disgrace to it? Yes.

Had he and Hillary's marriage simply fallen apart and even if he had fallen in love with someone and had an affair he NEVER would have been impeached and there would have been no talk of his not being elected.

There is NO such thing a "left over ordinance", it is just plain ole ordinance. Part of his stocks. He had hidden away lots of stuff and in particular WMD tend to degrade if not stored properly. The fact remains we found his NEW chemical shells and the chemicals needed to produce the nerve gases to fill them hidden away. You claim he "disposed" of them in the desert makes no sense since there was a program to catalog their disposal so he could prove he was in compliance. Instead he did everything he could to hide everything he could. The reasons for Saddam's removal were clearly stated in 1998 and that it was made our official policy was done by an OVERWHELMING bipartisan majority. Clinton fail to achieve that goal, Bush did not.


Of course they aren't. You are simply hypocritically supporting their lack of moral character and their talking points for invasion when anyone looking at it objectively would see it as a bunch of lies aimed at herding the partisan sheep.[/QUOTE]

 

When Clinton is told to go home and don't come back, when he is no longer place on a pedestal, when he is no longer a leader in the Democrat party, when he is no longer placed on boards and commissions, when he is no longer on the list for possible SCOTUS appointments, let us know.

Until then there is no issue regarding Gingrich. He's a choir boy compared to Clinton.

 

I have had my faith in women's common sense strengthened by this remarkable voting behavior by women in South Carolina.

"They" say that nobody can spot a lying, vindictive, manipulative woman faster or more accurately than another woman. Evidently, "they" are absolutely right!

 

You are indeed correct, flounder.

However, In the mind of a leftist, only people who believe as they do can be forgiven!



Greedy Greedy Greedy! The American Left blasts out this accusation upon conservatives as yet another example of projecting upon others what they are most guilty of. But just as in the oft touted charge of racism, aren't Leftists really looking into their own hearts and then accusing others of what they see there?

 

I could name MANY,,,you know that. As far as being ''judged'' it seems many have already....
You would be hard pressed to find a multitude of conservatives that are not forgiving.
''Let he who is without sin cast the first stone'',,,and all that stuff....


Pick one....

It's between them,,,she said he said garbage......

 

That's what conservatives think. But in truth Gingrich and the conservatives show just how weak and cowardly they are. They must resort to Clinton as a guide for their moral standards because they have none. That's exactly why this will be a huge issue for Newt Garbage in a general election. He will have to explain his disgusting past history to the nation in his own right. He can't suck on the Blood of Bill Clintons past history forever.

 

An example of how trully ignorant the conservatives are? It was the conservatives who made this an issue in the first place. The conservatives eat their own and here's proof:

This is an anti Newt commercial released by a conservative organization one of several.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iMPjo46das"]For The Record : Kim Kardashian of the GOP - YouTube[/ame]

Conservatives are not only stupid but soulless.