Free Republic Posters Seem To Think That President Obama Was Adopted. Is It Possible?

Spock here. As someone that has just recently taken a interest in the Obama eligibility ballot challenge objections filed by citizens in states across the country I have come across some interesting information. I have been reading many posts over at the Free Republic website, a site where many conservative republicans post and many seem to think the president was adopted which would indicate that the original birth certificate was sealed. Several posters, especially one named DiogenesLamp who is considered by many as 'well reputable' has some interesting theories. For instance, this post:

"No conspiracy needed. The staff at the White House was embarrassed by the fact that the original document had layers, (and therefore looked like an obvious forgery) so they posted a cleaned up one so as not to look so amateurish. Sorry guys, it didn't work.

My theory is that the document was created by a member of the staff at the Hawaii Department of Health as a replacement birth certificate for an adopted child. They e-mailed a copy of their working file to the White House without realizing that it would contain all the tell tale signs of how it was constructed. (Hawaii DOH staff understands records, not Computer science.) The White House staff, being equally stupid, added the goofy background and posted it.

It is a Replacement birth certificate Document created by the Hawaii DOH that has been tampered with before and after by idiots.

This theory is Simple, Elegant, and most likely accurate."

And this post:

"If Obama was adopted, a court order would be issued sealing his original birth certificate. The only way for it to see the light of day would be for a judge to ORDER it unsealed. I have long thought that his original birth certificate may very well be an "affidavit of at home birth" filled out by his grandmother Madelyn Dunham. This would fit the description given to us by that one head of the Hawaiian DOH who described it as "half written, half typed."

*IF* Obama's original birth certificate was based on a handwritten affidavit by a family member, all bets are off for calling it "proof" that he was born in Hawaii. The Legal system might regard it as good enough, but there is no way that anyone with any sense would so regard it.

The Fact that Stanly Ann showed up in Washington State so soon after Barry was born, leads me to think she was there all along. Her Friend (Susan Blake) describes her as having shown up at her home in Seattle, not knowing how to change a diaper. Stanly Ann very likely took advantage of the Canadian free healthcare system across the border in White Rock (Her aunt Eleanor Birkebeile lived right on the Border in Blaine Washington, and her Uncle Ralph Dunham also lived in NorthWest Washington. Sending Pregnant young girls away to have their babies was common practice in this era. I can only imagine how much more urgently they would feel the need to do this regarding an interracial pregnancy in 1961. (Where in some States at this time, it was a FELONY OFFENSE.)"

Some of these scenario's are very interesting and if you think about it, it does creates doubt. Logic suggests that a president never should have anything about him personally that creates doubts. Here is the thread where it is being discussed.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2847692/posts

 

Just be thankful he's white and can speak english!

 

They have been very careful not to allow the media to examine the original BC to lay this all to rest.

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I have noticed that. And also it has come to my attention that they won't allow the abstract long form (that many experts said had flaws) that was released on April 27th to have a independent firm have a attestation done to it. That seems highly illogical.

 

by providing it to the media at a press conference?

 

apuzzo, there has already been an attestation done on it. the issueing authority has verified it's authenticity. there is no higher authority that could be consulted.

 

Spock- let me ask you this- if you are really interested- why are you reading blogs rather than going to official sources?

Because if you had gone to the original source- the Department of Health in Hawaii, you would have seen that this 'theory' is pure wishful thinking

Here is the link:
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/News_Release_Birth_Certificate_042711.pdf

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: April 27, 2011
HAWAI‘I HEALTH DEPARTMENT GRANTS PRESIDENT OBAMA’S REQUEST FOR CERTIFIED COPIES OF ‘LONG FORM’ BIRTH CERTIFICATE
HONOLULU –

The Hawai„i State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate.

“We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai„i,” Hawai„i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai„i.”

On April 22, 2011, President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy, requesting two certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the President‟s personal attorney, made the same request in writing on behalf of the President. (Letters from President Obama and Ms. Corley are attached).

On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama‟s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.

President Obama authorized Ms. Corley to pick up the documents. On April 25, 2011, Ms. Corley appeared in person at the Hawai„i State Department of Health building in Honolulu, paid the requisite fee, and was given the two certified copies, a response letter from Director Fuddy to President Obama, and a receipt for payment. (Letter from Director Fuddy is attached).

So Spock- do you which are you going to believe- the unsupported theory of an anonymous poster on a Birther website or official statement of the State of Hawaii?

Take a stand Spock- do you believe in logic or do you believe in fairy tales?

First of all....there is absolutely zero evidence for this absolutely wild conjecture.

Secondly....this is actually more than President Eisenhower had.

Seriously- this is how silly this claim is. President Eisenhower was issued a birth certificate 50 years after the fact- he was born at home- based upon the testimony of his brother- who was 2 years old when Eisenhower was born.

But to the poster- and by extension yourself since you are posting his 'theory'- such a thing would never be acceptable for Obama, but was completely acceptable for Eisenhower. Wonder why?

"Very likely"? There is absolutely no evidence to support this wild conjecture. I mean I could deal with the wierd and whackiness of the whole thought process, but this guy is just fantasizing his dream scenario of Obama not being born in the United States.

Again- nothing- not one bit of evidence supports these wild ideas.

Well that is the posters whole point- to create doubt.

Logic suggests that when a President shows American voters his legal birth certificate, and the state he was born in confirms he was born there, and there are contemporary birth announcements from the time, logic says he was born there.

So Spock....what was your conversion to Birtherism?

And when can we expect you to start raising the issues of Vattel and two parents citizenships and trips to Pakistan and any other wild and disproven Birther theories?

 

Why Spock?

Why does it seem illogical?

Why does it seem logical that the State of Hawaii would allow or hire an 'independent' firm- and violate State law- to attest to something that they know is true?

Why would the Director of Health of Hawaii feel a need to have someone else confirm what she has already seen for herself?

 

I would take that up with the state laws of Hawaii.

Not that I expect Birthers to respect Hawaiian State law anymore than they respect the Constitution, but one can just point these things out.

 

The "layers" controversy was based on technical idiocy; the people claiming that "layers" in illustrator indicated forgery simply did not know what they were talking about. I mean, that's how illustrator works. Go ahead, import a PDF file in illustrator. It'll separate the file into different elements in the layers panel. That's simply how the software works. The morons claiming that this indicated forgery just flat out didn't bother to actually use illustrator... ever. Or were intentionally lying. Go ahead, scan a document, convert it to a PDF, and import it into illustrator. You'll see the so-called "tell-tale signs" of a forged document all over the PDF. Why? Because those aren't signs of forgery at all, they're simply how Illustrator handles PDF files.

The "tell-tale signs" are nothing more than the normal operation of the software being used to check "for forgeries"! The people making these observations simply flat out do not understand how Adobe Illustrator works, or how it handles PDF conversion. I mean, it's simple, flat out, unequivocal misunderstanding of how the software operates--or profound dishonesty.

And entirely founded upon the author and reader's ignorance of vector graphics software.

 

And i will point out- this is not a current event by any stretch of the imagination- and is indeed once again- just a Birther conspiracy theory thread.

 

The poster Diogeneslamp states that a Hawaiian head at the Dept of Health said that his birth certificate was half typed and half handwritten. When did this happen? Logic suggest that what the president released was not half typed and half handwritten which I find fascinating.

 

Adoption cannot not affect a person's status as a natural born citizen.

Birther speculation on the issue is not merely insane, it is also pointless.

 

apuzzo, can you provide a direct quote from a hawaiian head of the department of health saying it was half typed or half written?

 

It is a shame that you are able to make such a beloved character of TV and screen look like such a blithering idiot.

Poor Leonard Neymoy.

 

I don't know what a Vattel is. I shall google it and look into it. You've raised my upmost curiosity.

 

Well, am I correct that the president released a birth certificate that was not half typed and half handwritten? Why would the DOH head state it was half typed and half handwritten like Diogeneslamp states?

 

The abstract of the long form is the BC which was released long, long ago - the exact same BC that I have and my children have and which has been accepted without question at the DMV, to enter my children in school and to apply for passports. The information on that BC is taken from the long form which makes it an abstract of the long form.

The long form itself is the form which is filled out in the hospital immediately following the birth and sent to the State Dept. of Health. It is kept on file but when you request a BC, you get the abstract - information taken from the long form and certified by the State Dept. of Health.

It seems perfectly reasonable to me that they wouldn't let Orly Taitz or one of her cohorts do an attestation of it when we know what the results would be already. It would be a real financial bonanza to Orly if she could manage that but I don't see it happening. The woman is a total fruitcake.

 

That wouldn't satisfy anyone unless they included the alternate media like WND and alex jones. But they wouldn't do that. It would just be CNN NBC etc and nobody would believe them.

 

I have no idea what it looks like but it wouldn't be surprising at all to have it half typed and half handwritten. The clerk would have typed in the information she had and the doctor filled in the birth information and signed it. That wouldn't happen today because everything would be put into a computer and printed out but there's certainly nothing suspicious about that.

 

My gawd - you get sillier every day. To you an OFFICIAL STATEMENT from a state govt is the ultimate proof!!!! Everyone but you realizes that nobody in govt can be trusted.

 

apuzzo, I've already asked you to provide a quote from any head of the DOH stating it was half typed and half written. you have of course dodged the question.

 

I wasn't talking about Orly Taitz. I was talking about a independent firm that specializes in attestation of documents.

 

WND was invited to the press conference where obama passed out his long form for all to see.

 

it's the highest authority regarding vital records. there is nothing higher. only you birthers think EVERYONE else is wrong, and you are right.