Has America run it course.

I think it is time to have a strong discussion about the future of America and it future, if there is one to be had. Over the last twenty years we have all seen a political divide that could not have been imagined. I blame both the right and left of the political spectrum. The 24 hour news cycles we have now and general disregard for one another beliefs and wishes as Americans. Do we at this point just call it quits and we all go our separate ways. America used to be the tip of the spear and what other countries aspired to be. However, if you were living in another country would you look at America and the way a majority of our citizens and politicians act and say no way. I think as a whole we do not look at each other as Americans. I think a majority of Americans look at each other as "conservative" or "liberal" maybe that is the route we should be looking into. I do not see anyway this political division can be solved. This is pretty much like a couple that is married for 30 years filing for divorce and going their seriate ways, not because they do not love each other, but because they no longer respect each other. The later is what I see in America. True, America is better than many other countries. However, maybe America has become exactly what the media has shown, a bunch of Red and Blue state always fighting. Maybe we should just give up and go seriate ways. Establish countries with our own ideals and move forward, There is plenty of land a resources to do so. Maybe America is worth saving, I might be wrong, but are Americans worth saving. I believe Lady Liberty has cried many tears. I think she is just about out of tears and this idea of America is over. We have become slaves to political parties, news organizations with political agendas, religious agendas, corporate agendas. Something our founding leaders did not have in mind when they wrote a wonderful document that so many of say we live by but by and large do not. We use it a more of a crutch to put blame on some group or person, instead of the guideline that it was supposed to be. Just my thoughts hope it wasn't to "liberal" for some!
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Thread started at Forum 4 Politics on 04-11-2012 12:55 PM

 

The US is wraught with internal divisions that are becoming more explosive.

Internationally, it has become a pariah. Economically, it is self-destructing.

The future of the world will not be defined by what Americans ludicrously call their "exceptionalism".

 

The issue that is dividing America into two warring camps is abortion. This issue is as divisive as slavery ever was.

One side sees the other as engaging in a terrible evil.

The other side sees the other as meddlers and busy-bodies who want to take away freedom.

There is no possible compromise.

 

The fact that you consider abortion the pivotal issue is disheartening. This economy is going through an anemic economic recovery, and is $15 trillion dollars in debt, and whether a women can or cannot determine the fate of an unborn child is the most important issue?

 

Yes, it's pretty ridiculous to see abortion as a defining issue. Though the religious extemists think it is.

When poverty and wealth disparities are wreaking so much havoc.

It's rather like worrying about the crockery on the Titanic.

 

i blame it on the education system teachers being more librail now telling the kids ,and calling conservatives old fashion and out of date with the times.
only letting the females students in the front role answer and ask the questions

 

I can see why it is that the women get to ask and answer questions.

 

notice the only boy raising his hand has a wrist watch on his right wrist thus hes left handed..
a future engineer that wont get to answer..

 

more info on being a mathematics lefthanded more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handedness_and_mathematical_ability

 

No.

10char

 

To start we have thought for the past hundred years that we could "buy" our friends. We have given away a hundred times more money than we owe in debt. This was something we should not have started doing so earnestly. Then we started the social programs, innocent nough in their inception, but they are like a body with two heads and no way to defecate..they just keep eating. Moving rapidly to the 21st century we fully believe ourselves to be the policemen of the world and the wars have drained our reserves but our president, insted of helping rejuvinate our nation, divides us further from each other until we are at each others throats.

from here we have a slight chance, but it will have to happen fast and Obama is not the one to save us.

 

This is a political forum where politics will be discussed. Of course there will be disagreements and back biting. I think to say that this forum is representative of America's national sentiment is absurd. This forum is one tiny outlet where liberals and conservatives come to fight with each other. In the real America, excluding politicians, most people are amiable to each other and put their country first. (Remember, after the 9/11 attacks, George Bush had over 90% approval ratings. That means both Republicans and Democrats came together to support our nation in wake of the recent events)

 

So you think Romney is?

That is almost funny.

 

We've been betrayed by an America hating left.

 

The course from freedom to bankrupt fascism, thanks to both parties and a blind public.

Good thing we pulled the rest of the world into our scheme! lol!

 

We need a quick fix to put the nation back on a stable path.

 

And that quick fix is...

dun dun dun

A SECURITIES AND INVESTMENTS TAX!

 

You beat me to the punch, but the correct term is derivatives and securities tax. Actually, no. That is one of many solutions in what needs to be a quick fix.

 

Diplomat has some interesting ideas about taxing derivatives in a separate economy. lol. I believe we need a world economic King to solve all of the sovereign garbage debt. Yikes. It's almost like we planned it.

 

Under my proposal, you are not taxing derivatives in a separate economy. You are using the quantitative easing mess created by the Federal Reserve, and are putting it into overdrive, but with sequestration. In other words, you will have a completely different type of monetary system driving the derivatives market that will have no effect whatsoever on the value of the dollar. How is this so? The Federal Reserve establishes a new dollar as a reserve currency, linked to old dollars, the SDR, or if I was really diabolical, oil markets. The possibilities are endless.

In doing so, old dollars should be able to be much more flexible in regards to what is backing them. I say the Federal Reserve could then put its gold reserves to good use by backing all savings deposits of those making less than the individual poverty level of Alaska, including those unemployed. Why Alaska? They have the highest poverty level of any state. If there are excess reserves, the Fed could open the savings deposit opportunities to anyone making less than say $35,000. Doing so would instantly create the true storage of wealth and safety net for those hurt by the inflation tax.

The Federal Reserve could also go on a buying spree for gold, acquiring the holdings of the IMF. The IMF has been looking to make the SDR a world currency with a market basket as the reserve currencies, so not having gold is not big deal. They could also target the Bank for International Settlements and the European Central Bank.

 

Yes, it would seem there are many possibilities, but how many are you hearing from the in-crowd? No one at the top is willing to give up any power or wealth. There is also the whole sustainability problem, where they're concerned with disappearance of resources.

They don't want people to have money/property/quality life.

 

Not that many. However, the great aspect of such a tax is that it gives more power to the plutocrats, even though it is partially at their expense. Corporate and individual income taxes will be a thing of the past. The derivatives market will actually be able to see massive increases in value due to the machinations of the system I am concocting. Instead of seeing derivatives values increasing or decreasing one to two percent per quarter, you will see steady increases of five, ten, maybe even twenty percent in the values of derivatives per quarter. The bounty for the Rothschilds and Co. would be tremendous. I think this is why my idea is so incredibly devious, and the best part is I have not even begun formal research.

 

Actually only foreigners think americans use the term "exceptionalism."

 

I would be happy to see America divided except for one thing- you will never get all of the conservatives out of the blue states and all the liberals out of the red states, so it would just created more and smaller states that would fight among themselves in the future.

Also, the moderates would get screwed unless a country is created for them, which is highly doubtful that the left or right would give up land or power to do that.

 

Yeah, India has found that. After a million religion-inspired deaths in the 1947 partition, India winds up with a bigger Muslim population than Pakistan.

It was hardly worth the effort.