Could a WHITE Obama have won in 2008?? NOT A CHANCE!!!!

This bigot thread gets five stars only proves that this forum condones bigotry.

 

As usual, you have everything ass-backwards.

But, that is par for the course.

 

Check out Obummer's Identity or Background in my post above ....... Are IRREFUTABLE FACTS "bigotry" ?

Be SPECIFIC: go down the line and STATE WHICH OF THE IRREFUTABLE FACTS posted are False before you babble about "bigotry.

Typical Obummerrhoidal reaction: shut down free speech if it's critical of Obummer ....... call it RACIST, or BIGOTRY.

 

You must have a short memory.

 

Now I want you to tell me WHY Big Media is racist?

 

I would counter with the question of why a person that was not born in the United States but instead was born in Panama which did not meet the 14th Amendment's two specific criteria of "born in the United States... and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" that establishes natural born citizenship should have even been on the ballot?

John McCain was not a natural born citizen as established by birth but instead was a native born American citizen granted citizenship at birth based upon statutory law. At least Obama was a natural born citizen, born in Honolulu Hawaii in 1961, and was subject to the jurisidiction of US law from the moment of birth and is unquestionably a natural born citizen of the United States. John McCain is not a natural born citizen based upon the two criteria enumerated by the 14th Amendment as he was not born in the United States.

 

Where do these people come from?

Ask Al Sharpton and Alan Keyes how easy it is to get elected President if you are an African-American man.

Obama got elected because of his charisma and inspirational speeches combined with an incredible grass roots campaign that took advantage of the internet.

His political views weren't that much different from other Democrats running for President that year he just presented himself well and the media got the country excited about him because he was an African-American who looked like he had a real chance of becoming President. He stood out. People liked him.

A White version of Obama could have gotten elected President if he had all of his attributes minus an African father. You just wouldn't have the excitement over a minority becoming President.

All of that stuff about a "muslim" sounding name, immigrant father, raised for a few years as a child in Indonesia etc. is not a big deal to intelligent voters because it says nothing about the man as a person and is in no way grounds to not trust him.

All of that stuff was actually used by the conservative media against Obama in order to give covert racists ammunition to oppose Obama as President without having to admit they don't like him because of his racial identity.

 

Responses in order:

In a presidential contest with John McCain and Sarah Palin such a hypothetical candidate had an excellent chance of winning. Many forget how bad the McCain/Palin ticket was. Even my parents, life-long Republicans from Arizona, McCain's home state couldn't bring themselves to vote for him.

1) We knew that Obama wasn't a Muslim and what difference would it make except to a few Christian religious bigots anyway?

2) We've had seven other presidents with foreign parents, some of them quite noteable:
Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) born of Irish immigrants
Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809) English Mother
James Buchanan (1857-1861) Irish Father
Chester Arthur (1881-1885) Irish Father
Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) English Mother
Herbert Hoover (1929-1933) Canadian Mother

3) We knew that Obama spent four years as a young child (he was 6-10 at the time) growing up in Indonesia. Even though he was very young this is actually an attribute that makes him a better president than someone that has no international diversification in their personal history. In 1971 when he returned to American went to high school and later college. So Obama was out of the country for four years but let's not forget that his opponent in the 2008 election was not only out of the country for 6 years starting (1967-1973) but was also held incommunicato as a pow and didn't know anything about what was going on in America at that time.

Virtually anyone could have defeated the McCain/Palin ticket because it was that bad. Every presidential election cycle it seems that the Republicans lower the standards on who they nominate. This year it appears that Romney in going to be the candidate and, amazing as it might be, Romney is worse than McCain. Independents and libertarians (like myself) are simply amazed that the bottom of the barrel the Republicans are drawing from is so deep.

Obama, in spite of how much I dislike his economic and war policies, was far better than McCain in 2008 and is far, far better than Romney. I can't hold my nose long enough to vote for Obama but I wouldn't vote for anyone the Republicans have nominated in the last 20 years.

 

It is true that racists that are predominately white Christian fundamentalist conservative bigots were the ones that raised these irrelevant "issues" and continue to do so today.

 

Liberal media absolutely got thrills up their legs over the idea of having a black President. They did everything they can to ignore and dismiss all the troubling signs in Obama's past. If a white guy had gone to a racist, anti-American church for 20 years, it would have been game over.

 

You need to do some research. Governor is not the same as president.

 

The board notes that you avoided the issue and instead responded with childish namecalling.

 

As i said, they refused to vet obozo purely because he's black. On a more recent note look at how they biased their coverage of trayvon martin by representing a 17 year old man by a pic of him when he was 12.

 

It's plenty of grounds to suspect he's not a natural born citizen.

 

NOT THE SAME THING!!!!!! The parents were citizens when the son was born. Obozo's daddy was NEVER an american. Get your butt outta your head!

 

White Racism is becoming, or, is an anchronism. KKK has been obliterated. Skinheads are a joke. And rightly so. Obummer aka President Flexible, i.e., President Solyndra....OOPS, I mean Algae, has been elected President, even though it was nationally known that he had a TWENTY YEAR TENURE in the Cathedral of Hate run by a Blatant Black Racist Whackjob "Goddemn America Wright. Rev Wright, described by our Political Charlatan Obummer, in his own words as "pastor, friend, and mentor". With a wife who proclaimed to the World that "she wasn't proud to be an American" ...... until the Monumental Mendacious Fraud, Commie/Socialist, Black Racist, Obummer, her husband was elected. The result of decades of brainwashing by our LIEberrhoidally controlled Educational System. And, by the 24/7 LIEberrhoidal LameStream Black Racist Political Correctness Media inundating the unjustifiably guilt-ridden ignorant American Public into electing the WORST OBOMINATION in the History of the United States of America.

Yes. The same Obummer, labeled "OUR MESSIAH" by the Most Notorious Racist and Anti-Semite Bigot in the History of the United States of America, Louis Farrakhan of the "Nation of Islam" ( Rev Wright's acknowledged bosom buddy), in a jam-packed wall-to-wall Black Auditorium Rally during the 2008 Presidential Campaign. Can you imagine a Whitey getting elected President of the United States of America having had a TWENTY YEAR TENURE in the KKK, having the GRAND WIZARD as his "pastor, friend and mentor" ?!?!?!?

 

Did you not read the part where he said "to 'intelligent' voters"?

 

President Obama was not elected because he was black. He was elected because the voters considered him to be a better candidate than McCain. I didn't vote for either of those two candidates because I opposed both of their political platforms but I agree that of probably the two worst presidential candidates in the history or America that Obama was better than McCain.

The KKK is certainly diminished but there are still those that advocate and promote it's message of racial hatred. David Duke is a prime example. The KKK has basically been replaced with other white racists organizations such as Combat 18, Stormfront, and the National Socialist Party.

We see much of this racism today especially but those that make the false allegations that Obama was elected because he was black which is, of course, absurd. It is the racists that puts the 2008 elections in "racial" terms because Obama's support was not based upon race but instead based upon differences in the political platform between McCain and Obama. This thread itself represents the white racism that is alive in America today and this racism is reprehensible.

 

Voters wouldn't have thought that if the press had done its job and vetted obama. Very strong chance obama's whole life has been a a fraud.

 

There are no grounds for suspecting Obama isn't a natural born citizen. We have documented evidence that he was born in Honolulu Hawaii in 1961 that has been confirmed by the Hawaii Dept of Health which is the responsible government agency for making these determinations. He meets both of the requirements for natural born citizenship established by the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution as he was born in one of the 50 States (when it was a State) and was subject to the jurisdiction (laws) of the United States at birth.

Only whacko "birthers" keep fabricating BS to support what is apparently their racist agenda in questioning Obama's natural born citizenship. If it isn't racism then why weren't the all over McCain who wasn't born in the United States and doesn't meet this criteria of the 14th Amendment? McCain is a "statutory" citizen of the United States and not a natural born citizen of the United States.

 

Obama was highly vetted by the press. There hasn't been a single "revelation" by anyone related to Obama since before the 2008 election and everything there is to know about him was known prior to the election.

 

Why is it that I never see you complaining about black racism, Hispanic racism, Asian racism? Your outrage is only limited to white racism. I've never seen you once condemn groups like the New Black Panther Party, even while they are currently calling for a race war against whites. Where's your outrage about that? What about Hispanic racist groups like Mecha and La Raza, who are calling for all of the Southwest to become part of the Hispanic world, once again?

 

The "New Black Panther Party" (NBPP) is not an affiliate of the original Black Panther Party and that needs to be clarified. The NBPP is a racist hate party and is righfully condemned. It does have a few thousand members and often attracts some that don't know it's racist hate agenda similiar to those that are often sucked in by groups like Stormfront or Combat 18 based upon invidious propaganda. The NBPP is rightfully identified as a hate group like Combat 18, Stormfront, the National Socialist Party and the KKK as well as numerous other white nationalist (supremacy) groups.

When referring to La Raza I assume this refers to National Council of La Raza (NCLR) which is a latino Civil Rights organization. It does not advocate reunification of Southwestern State to be reunified with Mexico. This claim is a racist claim being propagate by organization like Stormfront that isn't based upon any facts. The NCLR also supports US border enforcement, opposes illegal immigration, and seeks immigration reforms that make sense to eliminate illegal entry into the United States by anyone.

Finally I assume that "Mecha" refers to the "MEChA" which is a Chicano national student organization. It has a relatively simple four point Mission Statement or objectives:

1. Educational, cultural, economical, political, and social empowerment of Chicanos.
2. Retention of Chicano identity and furthering of cultural awareness.
3. Uplifting and mobilizing Chicanos and Chicanas through higher education.
4. Implementing plans of action concerning Chicanos and Chicanas.

There has been some warranted condemnation of members of MEChA making unauthorized "racist and anti-semetic" statements as if they were representing the organization but MEChA has been swift in countering this and these members are typically expelled from the organization.

Yes, bigoted racism must be condemned on all fronts regardless of the source of that bigotry. What we also know is that "white" hate groups are overwhelmingly the greatest problem as other racial hate groups are insigificant in numbers when compared to them. We can also note that while 70% of racial hate crimes are against African-Americans that still leaves 30% that are committed against members of other races. All of the hate crimes and all of the racial stereotyping that is the basis for bigoted hate crimes needs to be condemned. A person cannot justify being a "white" racist just because there is a "black" racists and both are rightfully condemned.

Now back to Obama and the racist foundation for this thread. Obama was elected because he was the lessor of two evils. We, the American People, knew everything there really was to know about Obama in 2008 before the election. He would have been elected if he was white, blue or purple because of what we knew about him and what we knew about John McCain. John McCain and Sarah Palin basically gave the election to Obama so if anyone wants to condemn someone then they really should condemn the McCain/Palin ticket that the Republican Party put on the ballot.

 

Of course not. Obama's skin color has been his "Get Out Of Jail Free" card since the get-go. A "community agitator" with no real work work experience and "freshman Senator lack-of-experience" as his 2 selling points and he still gets elected based on 2 words...hope and change???? Give me a break! If this guy was white he wouldn't have a prayer yet the odds are this will be a close election. For Obammy...race is everything and the rest of his race will vote for him merely because he is black. Shows you how well thought out their votes are.

 

A very ignorant post when reviewed by anyone that addressed the issues in 2008 during the election. Let's look at some of the issues differentiated Obama from McCain.

Obama pledged to end the war in Iraq while McCain basically proposed continuing US involvement indefinately. Americans wanted out of Iraq.

Both Obama and McCain proposed budgets but McCain's proposal would have created larger deficits that Obama's, Americans are tired of deficit spending.

Obama wanted to close GITMO and prosecute the suspected terrorists being held in civilian criminal courts which is the correct place for them to be prosecuted. This was blocked by Congress and was predominately a Republican lead initiative. Republicans have shown a disregard for due process of the law and endorse the violation of the protections afforded by the Bill of Rights related to criminal complaints.

Both Obama and McCain stated they would go after Osama bin Ladin but McCain proposed invading Pakistan (i.e. creating a new war) and Obama proposed using surgical military operations which were eventually successful.

McCain proposed continued military interventionism in the sovereign affairs of foreign nations (i.e. more wars) while Obama promoted using diplomacy. Americans are really tired of the endless wars that have created the terrorist threat against America today.

The differences between Obama and McCain 2008 were purely political and had nothing to do with race. While I didn't support Obama or McCain I was certainly aware of the differences between them politically. To my knowledge the only people that allowed racism to be the reason for their votes in 2008 were white bigots and they continue to raise race as an issue related to Obama today. We don't need to identify them because they are, figuratively speaking, wearing large Tee Shirts with "I'm an Ignorant Bigoted Racist" printed all over them.