Europe, it's done for.

I want people here to name one or two things that can only be made exclusively in Europe and cannot (a little repetitive here but worth the redundancy ) be made in Asia.

Note name-brand products can not be counted. E.g. Ferrari can not be counted as tuned up Nissan can run faster and more maneuverable than its cars.

You will know what this thread is going to prove soon.

 

Educate yourself, although your ignorance is amusing.

 

Last time I looked the EU had the biggest economy in the world. Anyway I will play.

Hand made Italian shoes.
Hand made Italian clothes.
BMW(The Chinese work force are not a patch on German engineering)
Mercedes Benz
Volkswagen
Gloucester cheese and the other 1000's of cheeses made in Europe
Good music..in which I mean British music,cannot make that in China although they pirate enough of it.
Shetland wool
Is that enough?

 

Pete Moss, Air Bus, Rolls Royce, Champagne.

 

Uh uh uh, not so fast, did you read my 1st post?

But anyway, I'll game on:

If they were made in Korea with decent taste... they won't be Italian will they? Bravo! Braaavo! You got me there!

Them BMWs are being made in China right now. Then again, despite the fact that Nissan, Mitsubishi and Mazda has far better models, they just couldn't bother to change their brand name do they?

So you are actually saying Asian can't make cheese which is not only extremely racist but also untrue, or are you saying Asian can't make European cheese? Had been the later one, I'll pass, you might got me with my undies.

By what standard do you mean "good"? And doesn't it take a bit racial bigotry to say Chinese can't make good music and furthermore, only capable of pirating? Shall I push the report button?

You honestly knew nothing about music do you?

Clearly you can't make Shetland wool in Mongolia can you? It would be Mongolian wool.

If by that you mean answering my lil' challenge, then it couldn't have been further from "enough".

If however, you mean racial bigotry, rootless caucasian chauvinism and Anglo-supermacism, I'd say fairly enough.

 

Oh and Man on fire, I'd be truly amazed if you do not consider yourself liberal or left-lean.

 

Ah I get it,its a bash the liberals thread dressed up as something else. Name me one international best selling Chinese singer or band if they are so good?

 

If it will get you to try and actually make your point, lets just agree that there isn't any rift in space time over Europe such that some things can only be made there under altered laws of physics.

Although at the moment, some things are designed only in Europe, even if the work of machining and assembling the components is done in China (under dangerous and generally crappy conditions and crappy pay). That is not a bad deal for the designers at all.

 

Jacky Cheung. Korean buy his records, Singaporean, Malaysian buy his records, is that international enough for ya? But oh, yellow people don't really count do they?

And who is this, 'Jacky' anyway? Never heard of him right? The real good music are like, Queen, Beatles and master pieces of Sir Elton John or kick butt bands like ACDC. Oops, ACDC is an Australian band but wait, the legend is a Boonie Scott isn't it?

Is this thread a liberal bashing thread? Yes and no. No, this thread basically goes up against racial bigotry— yes, most liberals and European lefties, unfortunately, belong to that flock.

 

I don't think anyone who would meaningfully compare a Ferrari to a souped up Nissan ought to be commenting on cars. Sure, maybe the Nissan could be performance tuned and brought into line in terms of speed, but it's totally lacking the style.

Mentioning name brand items is naming something that might be exclusive to Europe; especially for high-end luxury goods.

 

Banknotes.

 

With today's technology anything can be made anywhere. Even crops that were exclusive to regional areas can be produced anywhere with greenhouses. Any type of manufacturing can be created anywhere if the right factory is made.

This is a silly post.

 

I wouldn't be so hasty to call it "silly", but thanks for making my points anyway.


So how exactly is an egalitarian, high-welfare utopia possible when people in Europe possess no advantage over people in Asia (and in many ways, disadvantage as they are generally lazier than Asian)?

Do Sweden people know their income is only comparable with Alabamans? Or do people in Denmark know that patents filed every year is much less than Jiangsu, a single province in China?

System that promotes egalitarianism: Effective in killing innovation and creativity, drive people slowly towards common poverty.

 

History has shown that egalitarianistic society's never work and eventually transition to something else. Yet a common trend is that there will always be society's that think they will have figured it out and they will try it again until it becomes unsustainable and they are forced to switch again.

It is a common merry-go-round among many nations. This can be seen extremely well in Cuba who is slowly getting rid of their egalitarian policies as the country is unable to function and must bring in capitalistic ways in order to survive.

 

If that is your belief, then you are among the few rare birds in the world for believing it. Because some folks in europe (and also in the States) believe they might have figured out just the way to be egalitarian while not going into complete chaos or tyranny.

 

Skype

Anything made by Airbus.

Botox. World supply is made in Westport which I always find funny.

This might as well read "the first world its done for", If you really think about it anything can be made anywhere these days.

 

I can't wait for the Chinese version of World Wars.

I just hope they're cheaper.

 

I majored in history and political science. I probably have studied this more than the average person.

 

I doubt it some how

More money + more people.

The only way I can see it being cheaper is if everyone else just rolls over and playes dead.

 

Let's enroll English girls then

 

Lucky you have me the CNC Machinist at hand to help them about understanding the revolutionary nature of the computerised industrial revolution ,tell them that it is possible to produce farraris,or anyother machine to exactly the same tolerances by the same CNC machines and Robots anywhere on the industrialised planet ,from 1 to any number you want.

Manufacturing is truely globally intergrated by its most advanced technology .

you can now take a photo of a component transfer it to be CAD and CAM ed ,Computer aided design ,and computer aided machined.no need to produce in some specialist US or european factory ,then transported ,unloaded ect ect customs taxes blah ...

no you through the internet sent the component dimensions select its qualities and hey presto ,produced at the local Cnc machine shop there[literally all the Local machinist has to do is sercure the piece of metal close the guard and press the on button ,oh and take out the perfectly reproduced within 1\100 000 th of an inch component. ,efficent the computerised globally Intergrated economy .

We had that up and going from about 2003 on ,

 

You can't really lump the Euro nations together.

First some of the nordic ones are oil rich. Oil can (and does) make some otherwise highly dysfunctional societies some of the richest in the world. Those euro nations will be fine until the black gold starts running out or there is a revolution in batteries. Don't hold your breat waiting for either.

Then you have countries that are managing favorable trade balances via design and skilled labor. Their products might be made elsewhere on the cheap. But as long as they stay ahead of the design curve they'll be OK. Usually there are cultural elements in play. Of course maintaining that edge is something they must constantly do, and there are no long term guarantees about there performance, certainly asian nations are closing the gap. On the other hand, at some point the Chinese people might demand to actually wear some of those shoes they're making or drive the cars they produce, or remembering that they're supposed to be trying to become communists instead of having their oppressive state capitalist system.

And then you have countries more like the PIGS and, well, those houses of cards are already falling down.

 

Differences in how capital is invested. Productivity is usually higher in the US and Europe than Asia. The future workforce is not about working harder, it's about working smarter, and Europeans have shown an exceptional capacity to do just that. Go ahead and let those poor Asian factory workers try to outproduce industrial robots; the South Koreans and Japanese have the right approach, the Chinese and Vietnamese and such do not. I think the evidence is pretty clear that Europe and the US are both going to be very economically relevant for the foreseeable future. People have been predicting the economic death of Europe for almost two centuries now. It's no more likely now than it was any time in the past.

Well, that's a little hard to meaningfully state. Per capita income doesn't mean much when you have a society with excessive income inequality. Merely dividing GDP by population doesn't tell you much about the real purchasing power of actual human beings when actual income is not divided nearly so evenly. Sweden may have a lower per capita GDP, but it's also more evenly distributed across the population. They also spend a lot less on things like health care and retirement planning, leaving them with more disposable income. They also have different rules on overtime; US workers get quite a lot normally, and factory workers in Asia are forced to take even more.

In what way does this threaten the Danish economy? The Chinese population is much larger; they have to produce far more than the Danes do, merely to provide an adequate lifestyle. Comparative advantage isn't about absolute production figures, it's about relative opportunity costs. Even if the Chinese can inefficiently file many more patents than the Danes, it might still be cheaper to do research in Denmark, thereby providing the Danes with economic activity. I don't know that to be true--maybe it's a lot more expensive to do research in Denmark than China, but it's an example of how comparative advantage works in general.

I would also point out that one of the many functions of the EU--and fundamentally why it won't collapse--is that it puts all of Europe in the same economic bloc--except the few holdouts who haven't gotten on board. Even they have usually signed onto the economic agreements like open borders and free trade and such.

That is not, I think, supported by your evidence.

 

Sure, you can definitely copy those Ferraris. But that won't really dilute the demand for the real ones, it'll just provide options for people who can't afford the real thing. Honestly once a society automates its manufacturing, smaller populations are better off. They are better able to efficiently allocate capital than larger population-heavy countries.

Yes it is. And in the relatively near future, you and other basic knowledge-workers will also be put out of a job by machine intelligence. That day is not far away at all. We'll see it start within six years; though of course it will be many years after that before sufficient capital can be allocated to really put a dent in employment. And not long after that, even the advanced knowledge-workers will start to be put out of work too.

Give it a decade and the CAD software will be able to do the work itself. Economies are right on the verge (anthropologically speaking) of another technical revolution. This one will displace far more workers than the last one did, and unlike last time there will be no service industry to direct them into.

 

Breaking news, Ducati is no longer Italian. It is now owned by Volkswagen AG.