Israel Has Learned Well From The Nazis.

LOL! No. You were just kicked out of the community. You would still be Jewish just a convict of Avodah Zarah. Oh, I love it when non-jews try to give a Jewish history lesson.

 

LOL sure thing.

 

Smug. Attempt it and I'll demonstrate.

Incidentally, it looks like your sig. has been hacked.

 

Seriously.

WFT are you ranting about?

Please try to be lucid.

 

lol its okay. Most don't know anything about Judaism and Jewry. Usually just to lazy to go and research.

 

If you are a Zionist, then I know only too well what your mindset is.

As evidenced in previous posts.

Anyway, debate the points and topic, or go on ignore.

Your call.

I am here to debate your points.

Debate mine.

 

LOL you have no points to debate here. It is pretty clear you just talk out of your ass. I wont waste my time

 

Translation - 'I cannot debate you, or anything you have cited, linked or shown, as I am a Zionist, and my choices are deflect, attack, and avoid'.

What page of your handbook is that on, again?

 

It's on the same page that we are directed to "LOL" at silly people like you With your horrible Jewish History lessons and grand illusions of what Jewry is like.

 

Time to put and end to your charachteristically ignoble refusal to enter into civil discourse.

Ignored.

 

Aww, but we were having fun!

 

She wasn't a "true American hero" she was Hamas's whore and I'm glad she's dead,



the stupid (*)(*)(*)(*) shouldn't have been using herself as a human shield to protect Hamas smuggling tunnels and weapons caches.

 

You're thinking of the ideology of the pedophile false prophet Mohammad (may (*)(*)(*)(*) be upon him).

 

It has always been more than just a religion, it's an ethnicity, Jews not only share a common religion, but a common culture, a common history, a common language, and in most case a common genetic lineage as proven by modern genetic testing.

 

You need to grow up sonny.

 

I find it terribly hard to care... "the Palestinians don't exist but the Jews are a race?"... irrelevant propaganda. Your language and statements show you are being very childish and flippant about this subject, it's quite disturbing.

 

He is a Zionist Jew so it ought not to be disturbing to you at all.

 

Well, that's not entirely fair. I expect anyone, no matter what creed to at least address the crisis with a little respect. Dare I say it... I don't think all Zionists are so insensitive. I mean you can't say everyone who bought into the Zionist movement, reallythinks the way Doctor does. But what might be interesting is to try and quantify what we mean when we say Zionist... do we mean everyone who believes in the establishment and the existence of Israel (in which case I would again attest that all those people are not as ruthless as their regime)? Or more the extremist settlers for example? Zionism isn't a monolith after all, it's factious. Can a Zionist disagree with settlements? Can a Zionist agree with the idea of a Palestinian state?

I would like peoples thoughts on this.

 

Judging by your statements I see that you don't know how to read because I never said "race" I said ethnicity, and you are correct there is no such thing as a Palestinian.

 

I'm not Jewish but I love how you are quite open with your antisemitism.

 

OK ethnicity, race, whatever. As mentioned, I just don't care how you define yourself, it makes no difference to me. I'm mixed race, I lend myself to neither or of my bloodlines. I judge by content of character. So - just out of curiosity - what should we call Palestinians?

 

Read this


Three Strong Oaths

The true Jewish position on Zionism and the state called Israel is found in the Scriptures in the Talmud and in the oral traditions transmitted to us by our parents and teachers.

At the outset of the Jews' exile to Babylonia, the Prophet Jeremiah, in chapter 29 of his book proclaimed G-d's message to all the exiled…Verse seven reads, "Seek out the welfare of the city to which I have exiled you and pray for it to the Almighty, for through its welfare will you have welfare." This has been a cornerstone of Jewish "foreign policy" how to behave in the lands of the nations throughout our ensuing exiles till this very day.

There Jeremiah adds in the name of G-d (verses 8 and 9), "Do not let your false prophets among you and your sorcerers seduce you, do not head your dreamers which you cause them to dream. For they speak falsely to you in My name. I did not send them." This too has applied to all the would-be misleaders of Jewry whether they presented themselves as prophets or as sorcerers or as dreamers of national aspirations.

King Solomon in Song of Songs thrice adjured the "daughters of Jerusalem" not to arouse or bestir the love until it is ready." The Talmud explains That we have been foresworn, by three strong oaths, not to ascend to the Holy Land as a group using force, not to rebel against the governments of countries in which we live, and not by our sins, to prolong the coming of moshiach; as is written in Tractate Kesubos 111a .

Throughout the seventy years of the Babylonian exile, throughout the 200 years of the Hellenic exile and throughout the 1917 since the destruction of G-d's Holy House, we have steadfastly maintained our loyalty to G-d and have not transgressed His oaths. And we have prayed for the welfare of the cities and the countries of our host nations that did not oppress us, and in their welfare we indeed always found ours.

Whoever violates Jeremiah's principles or Solomon's oaths immediately imperils the welfare of Jews locally and elsewhere in the world.

Maimonides, Iggeres Teiman – Letter to Yemen

[Maimonides wrote this Letter to the Jewish Community of Yemen almost 1,000 years ago]

And as King Solomon knew with divine inspiration that the Jewish People would face the consequences of this and that suffering would come upon them, and warned the Jewish People not to do this (i.e. violate the Three Oaths), and in a metaphorical way made them swear not to commit these acts, as it is written in Song of Songs, 3,5: I made you swear Daughters of Jerusalem by the deer and gazelles of the field should you arouse or awaken love until it is so desired.

Therefore, you, dear brethren, must accept the Oath and do not attempt to arouse the love until the proper time when the Alm-ghty shall remember us and you with his trait of mercy to gather his portion from Exile to behold his glory at his holy Temple and redeem us from the Valley of the shadow of Death where he has placed us, thereby removing the darkness from our eyes and the fog from our hearts. He will then fulfill in our days and in yours the verse from Isaiah 9:1 The nation wandering in darkness shall see a great Light, and a Light shall shine on those residing in the land of the shadow of death. At that time G-d shall darken the eyes of all those who rise up against us, and fulfill the verse from Isaiah 9:2 Verily darkness shall cover the land and fog shall cover nations, but the light of G-d shall shine upon you, and you shall display his honor.

The Maharal of Prague (Rabbi Betzalel Lowy who lived in the 17th century) explained that the prohibition of violating the Three Oaths applies even if the other nations force the Jewish People to do so.

In addition, he wrote in his book Netzach Yisroel (Chapter 24) that these Oaths may not be modified so as to affect the decree of Exile, and he expanded on the description in the Midrashic text on Song of Songs 2:18.

“Even if the nations wanted to kill the Jews with terrible torture, the Jews are forbidden to change the applicability of the Oaths. This is relevant to every one of these oaths and must be understood.” Therefore, not only is it forbidden to leave the Exile even with the permission of the nations, but even if they force the Jewish People to do so under pain of death, it is forbidden to violate these Oaths in the same way it is required to give up one’s life rather than accept another religion.

Even during the forced conversions under the kingdom of Portugal in the late 15th century it was forbidden to violate the Oath.

Rabbi Avraham Galanti, who other rabbis described as outstanding in his level of holiness, and who was a student of the great kabbalist Rabbi Moshe Cordovero in the 16th century, explained aspects of the Three Oaths in his book Zechus Avos [Merit of the Patriarchs] where he recounts how some Jews in Portugal wanted to revolt against the kingdom rather than submit to forced conversion. A rabbi quoted the verses from Song of Songs to the people who wanted to revolt, and pointed to the Talmudic tractate Ketuboth p. 111 which states that G-d made the Jewish People take three Oaths – one was that they should not rebel against G-d by rebelling against the nations. Thereafter the Jews submitted to death rather than forced conversion. Although the description in Ketuboth does not say that the Oaths involve directly rebelling against G-d, it is clear that the very violation of these Oaths is rebellion against G-d himself.

 

Don't tempt the Doctor or you'll just get the standard and wholly predictable rant about 'paedophile-worshipping Islamist swine'. He really doesn't have much else to offer...

 

@ Abu... what is G-D's name are you trying to do to me!? Sorry but I feel like I'm having an aneurysm when attempting to read holy writ. But I get it, Israel is forbidden by the Talmud, Jeremiah and Solomon and so forth. That's the thing about religion... it invariably takes a back seat to political agenda.