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There is not one word of truth in your post Apuzzo.

 

of course you don't.

 

And nobody from the "Maricopa County Sheriff's Department has sworn under oath anything- even the stuff the unofficial posse said, let alone the stuff you made up.

However, the State of Hawaii has officially and completely confirmed that Barack Obama's birth certificate is authentic and he was born there. And unlike the 'posse' the Directors of Health in Hawaii have no previous bias....since one of them was a Republican.

 

I consider Pat Boone to be a nut and a Birther, but I have heard him speak before, and he is a charming nut, and will likely give a good commencement speech....unless he veers into abject nuttery.

 

About the same as if the head of Planned Parenthood was invited to speak at Notre Dame's commencement, I would think.

 

Yes they did but with the Maricopa County Sheriff's Departments new compelling evidence brought forward, Hawaii's statement can't be accepted as the truth anymore. A statement by Hawaii's Dept of Health not under oath is not enough to prove Obama's alleged birth records actually exist or that the information on the records are correct.

 

No matter how you spin it Apuzzo, it just isn't so.

What we have here is the State of Hawaii's officially declaring multiple times, under two different administrations, under two different administrators, that Barack Obama's original birth certificate is on file, that both birth certificates that he has shown the public are legitimate copies of the certified Birth Certificate....versus...

An unofficial statement, by an unofficial 'posse', consisting of a leader who had a book deal in place, and an 'investigator who is not a recognized expert and who had already declared it a forgery, who concluded that the internet image they looked at might be a forgery.

The difference? None of the parties have sworn anything under oath...but only the official from Hawaii risk going to jail if they made a false statement. Only Hawaii official are making official statements as part of their office. Only Hawaiian officials have seen the original on file. And the Hawaiian officials are the only ones who didn't start this with a clear case bias from the very beginning.

Once again the Maricopa County Sheriff's department didn't provide any 'new compelling evidence'- an unofficial posse associated with the Sheriff's department told Sheriff Arpaio that they believed exactly the same thing they believed when they started their investigation.

But keep that dance going Apuzzo....spin, spin away.

 

Gee, you either are lying or misinformed about something that is ridiculously easy to verify... what a surprise.
Here's the original story:
http://radio.foxnews.com/2011/04/11...s-restates-accuracy-of-obama’s-birth-records/
Pertinent quote:

Fukino [inspected the files], taking with her the state official in charge of vital records. She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files. She then put out a public statement asserting to the document’s validity. She later put out another public statement in July 2009 — after reviewing the original birth record a second time.
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Shocker! A birther lies about something! So... When I said that it was (1) not a quote but a paraphrase, and (2) not referring to the certificate but instead the "birth record", was I correct or not? Simple yes or no will do, birther.

Debunked? How? What evidence have they presented? They held a news conference and trotted out the same old debunked birther lies. Either link me to something or rescind your ridiculous claim.

1. What "past actions?"
2. Why would Republicans help a Democrat be elected President?
3. Do you understand that your position is logically impossible? I don't think you do, since you ignored it in my prior post.

The Hawaiian Department of Health makes Hawaiian birth certificates. Therefore, if they are in on this conspiracy with Obama, they would make him a real one, that would absolutely stand up to any scrutiny, because it would be real.

The fact that they have verified the birth certificate means there are only two possibilities:
1) They are part of the conspiracy, the certificate is real but contains fake information, and they are lying.
2) The certificate is real and contains real information, and birthers are idiots.

either way...

THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE BEING FAKE IS LOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE... get it?

And where would he have been born? Hawaii is an island. Think about this logically. Your suggestion doesn't even hold up to the barest of simple scrutiny.

Why? To what end?

Let me ask you something: Who did you vote for in the last election, and what evidence do you have that they were eligible to hold office? Did forensic document experts examine their birth records? If not, how did you know they were eligible to hold office? Do you know Mitt Romney is eligible? How?

LOL... They were highly qualified? They were a failed used car salesman and an author looking to sell a book.

No highly qualified expert would look at an image on a screen and use that image alone to form an opinion about the veracity of the underlying document.

 

the other alternative is that you're lying

is that what you think?

because it doesn't exist, why would they wait?

she's a republican, she has no reason to lie

corsi, on the other hand has books to sell to nut cases and racists

arpaio is getting money from those people, too

 

Arpio hasn't got the brains it takes to conduct an investigation of much of anything. He's a thug hanging on to his job for dear life. You get almost the same level of integrity in a Stormfront blog entry as you get out of that scuzzball's office.

 

The birth record (singular as meaning one document) Fukino was refering to IS the birth certificate where she found it to be half typed and handwritten and properly numbered. When she put out a public statement asserting to the document's validity, she was refering to the half typed and half handwritten birth certificate which was the specific focus of Isikoff's questions and report. The White House server did not print out a birth record that was half typed nor half handwritten which means it wasn't the original vital record but rather a manufactured forged document confirmed by a authoritative legal law enforcement agency called the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department. Their ongoing investigation so far concludes that Hawaii's press release statements can't be relied on anymore. They conflict. As far as that uncalled for swipe at Zullo being a car salesman, so what. The man is well qualified and was trained as a law enforcement officer and obviously still respected. I've known police officers to venture into other careers and return to duty so this is no big deal. Also you have no idea what other computer imaging experts they consulted in their investigation to double check the others findings. In closing, Obama has a official identity problem since the birth record he released to the nation is confirmed forged and can't be relied upon as well as Hawaii's statements. As of now, there is no conclusive evidence where Obama was born.

 

IF that is the case then why has he been reelected 5 times?

 

Do you a similar problem with people like Alec Baldwin, Barbra Streisand, et al voicing their opinions or is you dudgeon directed only toward those who voice conservative opinions?

 

"Fukino" wasn't referring to anything. She did not say that. Do you understand that? That story does not contain a quote of Fukino saying that, because she didn't.

I notice you didn't answer my question.

Except that, as I've pointed out, and you've conveniently ignored, she never said "half typed and half handwritten."

No, it doesn't.

For the last time... Fukino did not say "half typed and half handwritten." A journalist did, paraphrasing what she described.

Provide me with a link to text where this is "confirmed."

They do not conflict. Show me where they conflict.

Except that he's not well qualified to examine documents. Prove otherwise.

Why would they consult computer imaging experts? Do you understand we are not talking about a computer image? We are talking about a document.

The birth certificate is not, by any means, "confirmed forged". Even in your wildest fantasies, Arpaio did not say that. Frankly, he said nothing of substance.

And you are still ignoring my main premise: Logically, given Hawaii's statements, it is impossible for it to be forged. Explain that, or admit you can't.

 

the same way richard j daley was re-elected six times, corruption

 

Yes it's possible. The Maricopa County Sheriff's Department has proven the electronic file Obama released was a forgery. The evidence is overwhelming. You don't think Michael Isikoff, a well respected reporter, would lie in his report about the half typed half handwritten alleged original birth certificate do you? So again, anything is possible. The forged Killian Documents are a prime example. Watergate is a prime example. Hawaii covering for Obama is a prime example, no matter if Lingle and Fukino were republicans at the time. One person who has been silent is registrar Alvin Onaka and is probably hiding in a bunker somewhere. He needs to be questioned. Getting back to Fukino, the reason she mentioned the “half handwritten” was to probably bridge the gap between Abercrombie’s statement that there was a recording of Obama’s birth “actually written down” in the archives and her own statement that there was an “original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures”. She’s trying to claim that whatever they’ve got is accurately described by both those statements so there is no discrepancy between what she said and what Abercrombie said. The trouble, though, is that a normal birth certificate doesn’t have anything “written down” except the signatures. In the end, Fukino as well as Fuddy's statements aren’t legal statements and they can say they meant just about anything. Once Abercrombie got rid of Palafox and installed a shill (Fuddy) who has made the HDOH even worse at transparency and lawfulness than it was under Fukino, they were most likely able to add the April 25th, 2011 forged long-form to their records and alter the computer records to show that as being for Barack Hussein Obama II.

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that's not true, arpaio has only shown that he's an idiot

A Hawaiian official stated that no one from Arpaio's office ever requested to inspect or collect documents related to the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate.

David Steele, a Democratic political strategist based in Tucson, said the Obama campaign probably should just ignore Arpaio. The sheriff's resurrection of the birth-certificate controversy likely will only embarrass Republicans, he said.

"It seems like Arpaio's a year late to the birther party," Steele said. "Even Donald Trump gave up on this. Now Joe is in a fast dive to irrelevance the more he keeps doing this kind of stuff. Shouldn't he be investigating real crimes?" - The Arizona Republic

Arapio's report contained a "grand total of zero new information" and that everything in the report has already been "debunked". - The Phoenix New Times

 

A Hawaii Dept of Health official? Which one?

 

A representative with the Hawaii Attorney General's Office said no one from the Sheriff's Office ever requested to inspect or collect documents related to the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/2012/03/01/20120301arpaio-obama-birth-certificate-probe.html

 

He doesn't work for the Hawaii Dept of Health so he doesn't know what goes on there.

 

Stop Crying ...

 

the health dept says the birth certificate is authentic

 

No, Apuzzo.. When Dr. Fukino originally confirmed the birth certificate she made no such statement- that is again of course a lie.

Here is what Republican Dr. Fukino- appointed by Republican Governor Lingle- said in 2008 http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

Then when idiot Birthers tried to spin her words into meaning something else she added a further clarification:

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital
records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama
was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen.

What White House server? Seriously- how do you make this stuff up? What President Obama showed the reporters was the official certified copy of his original birth certificate, verified by the State of Hawaii. Several reporters took pictures of the document. Then the document was scanned and posted on the internet so voters could see it for themselves.

No 'authoritative law enforcement agency' has reviewed it. None. Not a single law enforcement officer has examined the birth certificate. Not one.

How do you come to the conclusion he is 'well qualified'? Is it because he signed a book deal with Jerome Corsi before starting the investigation? You know- Jerome Corsi, employee of WND, who had authored the book "Where's the Birth Certificate". This is what is known by most people as a 'conflict of interest'....except when you are part of Sheriff Joe's posse.

Well you are entitled to your opinion. But in actuality, an unofficial 'posse' of investigators with previous bias's produced a report, which the lead investigator had a book deal on, which suggested that the birth certificate they examined the image of on the internet might be forged.

Versus the State of Hawaii, who has had two actual official Directors of Health, acting on the specific and official orders of two different Governors of Hawaii who have confirmed that the Birth Certificate is authentic and that he was born in Hawaii. Since the officials in Hawaii have absolutely no blemish on their credibility, while Sheriff Joe himself has a huge shadow over him alleging abuse of power, and in particular abuse in the use of unofficial posse's- there is no credible challenge to the actual birth certificate seen by reporters and authenticated by the State of Hawaii.

 

No....in order "The Maricopa County Sheriff's Department hasn't proven anything
The Department has not claimed that the document released was a forgery.
They released no evidence.
And I point out- you have yet to show that any of what you claimed actually happened.

You dance around the truth once again. The truth is that Isikoff never quoted Dr. Fukino as saying that that. So lets go to what Dr. Fukino actually is quoted as saying in the interview:

No matter what state officials release on the issue, the "birthers" are going to question it, said Fukino. "They’re going to question the ink on which it was written or say it was fabricated," said Fukino. "The whole thing is silly."

"It is real, and no amount of saying it is not, is going to change that," Fukino said. Moreover, she added, her boss at the time, Lingle — who was backing John McCain for president — would presumably have to be in on any cover up since Fukino made her public comment at the governor's office's request. "Why would a Republican governor — who was stumping for the other guy — hold out on a big secret?" she asked. "

"What he got, everybody got," said Fukino. "He put out exactly what everybody gets when they ask for a birth certificate."

Here is what Isikoff wrote about Fukino: "She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files."- note it doesn't say Birth Certificate, doesn't say that these are Fukino's exact words- it doesn't say any of the things you claim Fukino said.

But what we do know is that Dr. Fukino, in her own words has consistantly and repeatedly stated that Barack Obama's birth certificate is on file in Hawaii, and that he was born in Hawaii.

And your claim that Hawaii must be in on the conspiracy? Dr. Fukino's own words are prescient:

No matter what state officials release on the issue, the "birthers" are going to question it, said Fukino. "They’re going to question the ink on which it was written or say it was fabricated," said Fukino. "The whole thing is silly."

And you prove her right over and over.

 

Hmmm which is more likely? That a Republican Governor of Hawaii is part of a coverup or that Sheriff Joe's 'posse' released a predetermined, biased and manipulated report?

Let me put it another way- the Directors of Health in Hawaii could go to jail if they made fraudulant claims. The unofficial posse can say whatever they want- they have no authority- and no liability. They could say that Barack Obama is a Martian and face no legal consequences.

Meanwhile Alvin Onaka? He signed both birth certificates- he is the third person we know has seen the original birth certificate, and he is still busy at work in the Department of Health in Hawaii.

Everything in the preceeding paragraph is pure fantasy on your part. And frankly you are slandering Fuddy without a single basis for it- other than the fact that Fuddy has confirmed what Fukino and Abercrombie have both consistantly said- that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Face it- you just assume that anyone who verifies any positive information about Obama must be 'tainted' in some way- Birthers variously describe these people as either corrupt, or intimidated or schills. I find the audacity of Birthers to malign the entire State government of Hawaii without a single bit of evidence other than their own firm convictions is be just sad.