$33,000 To Remove An Appendix? This Is Healthcare In The US

Sorry, I can't wait that long.

 

In concordance to the nonpartisan "CBO", a single payer health care plan would cost the average American somewhere between $5000-$7000 per individual. When compared or equated to private insurance, that expense on the average would be less than $4000 per person and those cost are financially insurmountable. The majority of the American populace are not willing to bear the expense of $5,000 per individual for health care coverage. For the average common American household, health insurance would require $20,000 per fiscal year excluding additional revenue expense.

 

It seems to me that it is the insurance companies that dictate to the hospitals how much it costs for an appendix op. No wonder the healthcare system is broken in the US. I wonder if at any time do healthcare premiums actually ever go down there,or are always raised . As for Australia , they have the best truama centres in the world with emphasise on the quickest assesments and surgery far in advance of American centres.

 

We're trying to put the train back on the tracks.

And the first step is to get rid of Der Black Fuhrer.

At which these foreign voyeurs are no help at all since they are not Americans, have no idea what's going on in this country, and couldn't vote in our elections even if they had a clue.

 

Really? So there are scads of surgeons just hanging around hospitals with nothing to do?

Not how it works pal.

 

I just wanted this on record, people reading this board need to know the nature of the man.

 

Of course Obama has to go.

What did you think?

That we should want to keep a failed president and let him wreck destruction for 4 more years?

No way.

But being a foreigner I'm not surprised that you don't understand what's going on in my country.

 

This is the first time I have ever heard a Republican say they do not have any business poking thier nose into another counrties business. Since when did this start. I thought Republicans thought it was there rigth to spread their dogma around the world?

 

I work at a hospital. If you saw the cars parked in the doctors parking lot you would know why it costs so much. A Bentley isn't cheap.

 

I've noticed that people's big complaints about socialism is the wait. I'd like to know what doctors you go to in the US that you can get a same day appointment UNLESS you're bleeding to death in their office. I get sick. I call my doctor. I'm told I can see them the next day. So I either take two days off work or I suck it up and go in sick.

I've also lived abroad and only in Russia did I have to wait at a hospital for help...but even that was okay because Russian men are pretty hot and they were all around me with their big old eyes...

 

What if no pharmaceutical companies sold drugs to countries outside the US? What if our medical research was not shared with the world? What if we didn't allow foreign students to come to the US, study medicine, then leave? How would the quality of life & healthcare in the rest of the world be?

You mock us, but without us.....??? Now reverse the roles? What if Australia didn't share what it creates with us? Would it truly matter? You know the answer and its a hard pill to swallow, pun intended=) You NEED us. Your'e dependent on what we do. You don't want to admit it but its the truth. The world's healthcare benefits, because we do all the work. But that's always how its been in every industry.

 

I think not minding our own business is a bipartisan shortcoming.

Witness Obama getting involved in Egypt, Libya, Syria, and some godforsaken place in western Africa.

 

What an offensive and purposely antagonistic answer to a good question that bring one of the main reason of the high cost of healthcare in the US.

If youare not interested in that issue, no one forces you to respond. But if you chose to respond, I would assume you would chose to provide a contribution to the issue, rather than a rude attack.

It is clear that, without the cost of medical procedures being clearly available to clients BEFORE the procedure takes place, we are just at the mercy of the greed that exists evenin the field of medical care, and that the "free market" principles (competition) are prevented from being applied to health care.

Is is one more reason why other systems of health care that offer universl or mixed (public and private) system is so much more cost effective and. . . .eventually, more efficient and dependable.

And, it is precisely because some of us have the opportunity to experiences those different system of care inother countries that the truth about the US health care system is coming out!

 

That was a very good question ask someone who really has no business complaining about the healthcare system in our country.

If you don't belong here stay in your own miserable country and mind your own business.

 

You sound like one of those "ugly American" who believes that ONLY The US does medical/pharmaceutical research or is capable of coming up with innovations!

That, again, is very much based on the arrogance demonstrated by much of the GOP, and especially with the tea party.

And it is only based on a lack of knowledge and understanding of other cultures and countries, and a often misplaced pride inour own achievements versus achievements in other countries.

 

neither is med school. if you want a Bentley why not go to med school yourself and buy one

 

Exactly my point-and what the poster I was replying to was inferring. A surgeon gets paid a salary, not piece-rate, so where does this extra cost for 'scrambling' the waiting surgeon come from? I know exactly how hospitals work having been a cytologist in a busy pathology department, working alongside surgeons daily.

As to your sig, ever hear these words; 'read my lips, no more taxes'?

 

Its not arrogance. Its more about the facts. The arrogance is more from those outside the US who often have a complete misrepresented view of what its really like here. I never said we're the only ones who contribute. Other countries have come up with breakthrough technology as well. But when you compare accomplishments, lets be real. It takes the entire world combined to compare to what we've contributed to the medical industry and even that's a stretch. A thank you should be in order instead of constant ridicule about how terrible it is. Its EXPENSIVE, but its certainly not bad or even average. Its the highest quality care in the world bar none. That's why people from around the world come here for care and we don't fly to Australia. Why should we? We have problems that need to be fixed, but when people start quoting biased quality of life indexes and happiness, its so (*)(*)(*)(*) naive.

 

That's right. Elective surgery, like a new hip or a new knee you can wait for till hell freezes over. Only a true liberal thinks health care, or anything else is "free". That's right, folks. Nobody has to pay.

I'm amazed at the number of foreigners who obsess on U.S. healthcare. I guess misery loves company.

 

I had a more invasive hernia procedure done for a tenth of that cost, and on top of that, it took less than 10 days from my initial doctor's visit to the time the surgery was performed.

From what I've read, it's supposed to take 4 1/2 months to get the same procedure done in the UK. Evidently, it takes even longer...

Ridiculous. That's no model for the USA to follow...

 

Thanks for posting, it is a very interesting article that brilliantly shows how arbitrary prices are set in the current health care market.

I don't understand why people on this thread can't just see a problem and discuss it. Instead it seems to have deteriorated into a "America rules, your country sucks!" type argument.. Which of course is stupid.

I understand right wingers don't like the Affordable care Act, but I don't understand the constant defense of a clearly broken and corrupt system.

 

And if you had read the article you linked to you would see the waiting lists are for elective surgery only

Appendix is emergency and done that day

 

Ayuh,.... The System was broken, 'n corrupted BY the Government,.... aka; Medicare/ Medicaid....

More of what F(*)(*)ked the system up, Ain't what we need....

I used to barter with an ole country Doctor,.... He's since retired at 80-something....
Now I go to a Doctor in town, who employs 10 times more people in his billing dept, than he employs in the Medical depts....

All because of GOVERNMENT billing Requirements...

GOVERNMENT is the Problem,.... Not the cure.....

 

Surely you aren't blameing the current woes of the Health Care system on a law that hasnt even been enacted yet?

I disagree that goverment cannot solve the problem. Free market has failed to so and there is no indication this will change. Deregulation of health care just leads to even less transperancy and more corruption when it comes to the health care industry. This article is a shining example of that.

The free market isn't working in the typical driving sense of other markets becuase you can't just shop around for the cheapest surgeries. Don't believe me? Try! Call hospitals near you and see if they will quote you on a simple outpatient surgery.

On top of that, given what type of insurance plan you wont always be accepted at different hospitals. Fact is you are pretty much stuck with whatever they charge you and there is no legitimate way to quote it or know if you are getting ripped off.

I just had knee surgery last week and went through this whole process. Even most doctors can't explain the seemingly arbritrary costs of procedures. Mine sure couldnt.

 

The study was done by the RW Johnson foundation. A foundation that has become ultra liberal and is a major proponent of obamacare and UHC. So what they have produced is liberal propaganda. Not facts, propaganda.

Health care in the US is not "broken" as loonies love to claim. It is expensive, but superior, just as Bentley's cost more than Hyundai's.