China vs Philippine war , do you think china is being a bully?

Ok I read some comments over the last few pages and see alot of bickering over U.S. policy. Lets make this clear the thread is about China, not U.S. Obviously both the U.S. and China have bullied other countries throughout history. Maybe its my mistake in asking the question I wasnt clear enough on what exactly the responses I was looking for , so let me be clearer

1. Do you think both countries should go to war for this small amount of land?

2. Who do you think has the right to this land Phillippines or China? And state your reason why.

Can everyone please get on same page thank you. This forum is for smart conversation , disscusion , and learning. Its not for fan-boy's of either country.

 

Nope, that is why China will set the ground rules to take those islands from the Philippines and that is the war will be isolated on those island area only, no attacking of each other's mainland, no use of nuclear or tactical weapons (not that the Philippines has any), give all quarters to soldiers who surrender and to treat capture prisoners in accordance to the Geneva convention. This same rule that was use when China took the Parcel islands from the South Vietnamese in 1973 in which the USA stayed out of it.

Historically China has the rightful claim, geographically Philippines has base its claim on UN new set of rules the 200 nautical mile zone which China does not recognize. The 200 mile was recently set in the 1960s and the Philippines never had a claim on it before 1970. Base on this, I would say China has the legal right over those islands.

 

The Huangyan Island is not included within the territorial lines defined in the Treaty of Paris (1898 ), Treaty of Washington (1900), Convention Between the United States and Great Britain (1930) and both countries can claim an Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) up to 200 nautical miles from their coastlines and China's sovereignty claim can be disputed.

 

China is at peace with Taiwan under the principle that brother's should not interfere in each other's house.

If China were to take over the Spartly Islands, as you suspect, they would simply be following our example. We have been waging almost non stop wars of aggression since 1849.

Of course that is not what America should have been doing, because America is supposed to be the New Jerusalem that brings peace and prosperity to the world.

Those who love the ugly America, hate the real America where each man is king of his castle, pays not taxes, gets interest free loans from his public officials, and receives a monthly dividend check from his share of America.

 

China's ideal of world order:
[video=youtube;ImF5ief7ydw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ImF5ief7ydw[/video]

It is not in China's national purpose to be an aggressor, but to develop commerce with other nations based on equality.

This is also America's Mandate, but we don't want to follow it:
“to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them,” and to have “a decent respect to the opinions of mankind” Declaration of Independence 1776

 

And what if other countries refuse to accept or recognize America the New Jerusalem of peace and prosperity and they want prosperity for themselves not for America?

And how will America the New Jerusalem respond against threats or challenges to their peace and prosperity?

So the real America according to you is an America that collects no taxes this mean no government, no law enforcement, no self defence forces, no public workers, etc. Gets interest free loans, from whom? Since no one is paying taxes this mean public officials have no income, no wages and the government have no revenue = no money to loan out or give away???

Dividend check from America??? no revenue = no dividend, maybe you mean America the New Jerusalem will hand itself to China and let China take care of all Americans, right.

Man...you are out of touch.

 

Excuse me WanRen didnt you read my post in the middle of page 3 or did you decide on your own to start ranting? This is about China and Philippines , not U.S. If you want to bash U.S. feel free to start your own thread. Any country as I stated 100 times already, whether its China,U.S.,Russia,Spain,etc that has the power to bully other countries, has done so.
There is no country in the history of mankind that had was a superpower and did nothing, Except Canada.
The issue is China vs. Phillippines we are disscussing here

1. Do you think China and Phillippines should go to war over this small amount of land?

2.Who actaully has the right to the land?

Please keep the tread on topic, we are all adults here , I hope thank you for your time in reading this.

 

Judging from the location of different nations around the area in dispute, they all could have a valid claim to some percentage of the area.

If I were one of the smaller countries bordering the area, we would be really happy if China were to offer a deal where they respected our percentage of the whole. China has the means to be a major manager of the area and divide the profits with the various nations.

Fishing, for example: Each country could allow so many fishermen to take so much. It would be like a mutually owned hunting ground where the tenants in common share the property according to their share.

That may be the best solution. Certainly it is in harmony with China's mandate to meet in mutual benefit as equals the various nations.

If China wants to be a super power that the whole world admires and looks up to, they have to take seriously what so called Americans ignore, “to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them,” and to have “a decent respect to the opinions of mankind” Declaration of Independence 1776.

 

Yes what I cant understand is why if both countries have been fishing and getting along for years, why fight? I think the answer lies when they discovered there is oil there, oil seems to be the cause of wars in the past couple of years.

 

Nope this is not about ranting, it is about responding to Ivan88 out of topic respond, which I see you failed to call him out!

AND if you have read my earlier post I have posted in line with the topic, in fact the title of your thread " China vs Philippine war , do you think china is being a bully?"

"do you think China is a bully?" I guess you only want a yes or no answer, my opinion is NO. If you ask me to elaborate; it is because China is basing their claim of historical basis that dates back to the 12th century. While the Philippines is basing their claim on the 20th century new rule set by the UN the 200 nautical limit, which China does not recognize. So, if China do not recognize the 200 mile does the Philippine recognize the historical claim of China?

China has always claim those islands since the 18th century way before the discovery of oil.

 

Are you definitely?.Do you know civilian ship of China is very big and can prevent warship of Philippine or another nation.

 

Yeah, the United States "picked" on the Phillipines when we liberated them from the Spanish, and later, from the Japanese, right? Our "reward" for that in 1991 was seeing the Phillipine government throw the U. S. out of the military bases we maintained there -- and which were there largely to protect them from any foreign incursion, and to prevent the Chinese from becoming too strong in the area.

So now these same Phillipinos want the US to help build up their military and protect them again, right? TO HELL WITH THE PHILLIPINES! Let them learn Mandarin for all I care!

 

you gotta be kidding right. philippine warship is arm with weapons, its former US coast guard ship. chinese civilian ship do not arm themself with cannons. why don't you say a oil super tanker can prevent a US frigate/sub because its bigger.

 

Good ol' U S of A, whose sole role in the world is benign and that of the moral arbiter and world policeman bringing forth peace, freedom, liberty and democracy wherever she goes....lol.

 

Not anymore... fortunately, that nonsense is finally going to come to end, if only because we're broke and can't afford it! But, sure, if people don't want our help and our presence, they can fend for themselves. And if they get racked, ruined, and screwed over by "neighborhood bullies" as a consequence, then TOO BAD, SO SAD.... You must have a platform from which to project power and conduct both strategic and tactical operations, and if the Phillipines tired of allowing us to PAY (handsomely) for the privilege of protecting them, then to hell with them!

 

Yes thats this is exactly the type of answers Iam looking for in this discussion. You based this on facts in History which I am looking for , dont respond to people who rant lets try to keep this discussion civil. Thank You!! To everyone no fighting just state by what facts you have on old treaties and laws why you feel the way you do , please. Thank you all!!

 

The only ones keeping China in check is us. Actually we have to keep the world in check, since nobody else has the balls to do it, sadly. Its a shame.

 

It is all about check and balance; the USA and China at its each other.

 

China has rejected U.N. help saying this is not a dispute, China by right has right to all of the South China Sea included spratly island which is in South China sea.

 

No, I don't think Phillippines should go to war with China, that's suicidal to Phillippines. The Phillippines has over-estimate the so-called support from America. The US won't back them if war should happen because the island issue does not touch the core center of US interests.

 

I use to live in the Philippines and have many friends there..trust me, they're not going to go to war with China over a stupid island..they already have 3000 islands..

 

I agree, 3000 islands that the PI government can hardly govern.

 

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=811888&publicationSubCategoryId=63

China has firmly tell the USA to stay out and for the Philippine not to draw any third party in or ELSE!??