Is God aggressive?

You've quoted me though those are not my words. Not that I don't agree with them but still.

 

But you are going to pretend to partially understand God correct?

Where is the line drawn between what you know of God and what you don't know of God?

But most importantly who are you to decide?

And if it's not you who decides what you know of God who is it?

 

If life was perfect, it would be heaven.

That is the ultimate goal of loving. Each step brings us closer to it.

Imagine a world where each person loved the people around them, looked out for them, saw to their needs, comforted them, uplifted them....

And imagine the the edges of all these groups meshed, like circles in a mathmatical U diagram.

Is this the world God Commanded of us????

 

Each individual has his or her own personal "understanding". Sometimes it can be articulated, sometimes not. Actually, it only matters to that believer. No one else.

 

Sex for pleasure isn't a sin unless you're Catholic.

 

No no, say it with me, the morals of a mindless monster, not a mindless monster with morals. Yes it's true that the way you twisted the words around is a contradiction in terms and it’s not surprising you don't realize that but still.

Wrong. I do not fear the unknown. I do not fear death as it is the one thing in this world we have no control over. One who fears death is incapable of truly living their life.
When something in this world is unknown we atheists and scientist work to better understand it. Unlike the faithful who cast it aside, look down upon it or hate it.

Your love for fantasy is already well known but thanks for reiterating it. What narcissistic bull(*)(*)(*)(*). In your arrogant attempt at divine justice you have become the very corruption you seek to destroy.

You don't know much, let alone me.

Everything you see and don't see is nature. Is a sky scraper natural or unnatural? Even though it is you who are lying to themselves I wouldn't suggest you are being unnatural.

Strawman. I never said you can't be emotional and intelligent. I said you lack the ability to control your emotions which denotes a lack of intelligence.

Facts hinge on evidence. Prove what you have said with evidence or stop misusing the word fact.

You do not see the humanity in sex for pleasure because you have detached yourself from humanity.

I differ from other animal species by my intelligence as do you, only to a much lesser degree. You hate humanity.

You're the only person here playing God. Humility does not exist in any one of your posts. Look around....where is it? Atheism by the very definition is the opposite of Christianity. Again comparing atheism to any religion is like saying bald is a hair color. But don't worry if haven't got it by know you never will.

Ahh, the true argument of all the faithful. Regardless of facts I'm always right. And who is that wants to be like God again?

Just promise me you won't ever let truth get in the way of your arguments or this might get boring.

 

I understand that but the questions I asked have a different purpose.

 

So the first rebellion against God was not an act of aggretion? I beg to differ.

 

Does it matter? It sounds like your are now placing god within the moral standards of humans which I thought he was above?

I'm going to need you to expound on this statement.

 

Who decides what we know about our own universe? No one. We know what we know by studying and using science. It is discovery. I view knowledge of God the same way.

 

But those are contradictory statements.

You start out by saying no one can decide what we know about our universe but then go on to say science does. Also it's a huge leap to go from scientific study to God.

What about faith is scientific?

This is the fundamental flaw with those who choose to sit somewhere in the middle of Religion and Science.

Science:

1. a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences.
2. systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.
3. any of the branches of natural or physical science.
4. systematized knowledge in general.
5. knowledge, as of facts or principles; knowledge gained by systematic study.

Religion:
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

They are not compatible by definition.

This is the difference between Theism and Atheism.

Theists believe in a God through faith.

Atheists reject the belief in God do to the lack of evidence that any such being exists.

 

Hmmm. Angry, insulting those with differing views, insulting people you don't understand and now that you're old and limp, claiming everyone ELSE should not do what you did - when you could. Oh and sitting in judgment of others. This is your example of what Jesus taught, eh?
Conservative Christian, right?

Yeah, that much was obvious.

 

That's cool. I think we may have been a little of course with the topic, but not nearly as much as some of the rest on here.

 

so you believe if god did not kill and harm people we would not be human?

 

What I find interesting is that the dogmatists always tell you "God is always right, even when it seems like he is doing evil, such as commanding Isrealites to bash baby heads. We humans are just not capable of making those determinations about what is right and wrong, Only God can do that". This argument flies in the face of the bible itself! Why were Adam and Eve kicked out of Eden? For learning the difference between good and evil! How then, can it be claimed that such knowledge is not ours, that it is in fact beyond us to understand? If that were the case, whence comes original sin? Now before someone says that the sin was the disobedience, but the fruit didn't actually "work", I cite Genesis 3:22 "And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil."" So don't tell me I don't know evil when I see it.

 

The serpant told Adam and Eve that they would be as gods if they ate the fruit. In other words, they sacrificed the Lordship of God to be their own god and determine for themselves whether to serve God or go it alone.

Do we know right from wrong being our own god? I think we were all given an innate sense of right and wrong via the Golden Rule as Christ expounded upon. However, it gets a little gray at times. For instance, abortion was considered immoral before being legalized, but now that it is legal it is deemed OK by in large. Likewise, slavery before the Civil War was looked upon by the most part as "OK", but hundreds of years after being illegal seems unthinkablely immoral.

So as we can see, it seems that the Bible is correct when it refers to us as sheep.

 

Well, the morality of the bible seems to evolve as much as the morality of man has. Under the law of Moses, divorce was allowed, then Jesus said that you should never divorce. People were being killed for working on the Sabbath, then Jesus said his thing about pulling your Ox or whatever out of a ditch on the Sabbath. God's code of conduct changed quite a bit.

And slavery was always perfectly acceptable in the bible.

 

What is consistant is the spirit of the law which is love, not the letter. That was what Christ was trying to convey

For example, the Sabbath was given to a people who had known slavery 24/7. In fact, pretty much everyone during that time was a slave. Christ said that the Sabbath was given to man as a gift. In fact, today we have our "weekend' and can thank the Mosaic law for sparking this gift.

Christ said that divorce was not in God's plan, but because of the harndness of peoples hearts it was allowed so as to try and maintain peace. Likewise, slavery was not seen as "good" and much like divorce. If not, why then did the Mosaic law mandate that slaves be set free after so many years? In fact, Moses had just freed the Israelite people from slavery. Slavery during that time would be akin to a homeless person today. He is down on his luck and needs to survive so he works for food and shelter. However, after so many years he can try again a free man.

 

the pizza delivery guy bringeth gifts for cash..worship him for else thou shall starve..mathews 12:420

 

Who says I am talking about faith? Just because you choose to ignore evidence that God exists doesn't mean others do. The universe had a beginning. To me that suggests a possibility of God's existence as the cause. The design of the universe makes the possibility it is here by accident a more complicated reason than if it had a designer, so Occam's Razor suggests the existence of God as a designer of the universe.

I really don't know how much evidence or what kind of evidence you are looking for. But then again, that is your business. I just know what I have studied and what I believe. That is good enough for me. I don't even see any conflict with the theory of evolution but that is from what I have studied and what I believe.

Believe or not it is up to you. The existence of God is not a scientific issue anyway. That answer lies outside the realm of science in my opinion. I have discussed this topic in depth with atheists, religious people and professors. It still comes down to a philosophical answer not a scientific one.

 

you are correct, belief in a god is "faith" if it were "known", it would not be a matter of faith

 

Sort of.

 

I was following ya, but then...

You are saying that the eternal unchanging omnipotent God, could NOT influence man (his own creation?). And even when the messiah is sent, God has to BARGAIN with his stubborn man creation?

You're positing an impotent God that's resigned to placating man's sinful whims. Are you saying that God is powerless over sin (which would logically explain the difficulty of man choosing it over God), or is powerless over man's free will (there's an interesting thought). With sufficient amounts of free will, God can be eradicated entirely. Or is divorce not a sin? If it's not then why bother to reject it? It would go a long way to explain why God would have to resort to aggression to get his demands met.

There's a reason why Islam is far more coherent philosophically than Christianity, and it's arguments like THIS.

 

I don't think it is a matter of God being powerless over anything. Humans have free will and are allowed to make choices for a reason. That reason I believe is so that humans will choose to love Him. In that case why would God control any aspect of a human? Can people really be forced to love God? If we were controlled we would be puppets.

 

And who is God aggressive against?