Pentagon to hold Gay Pride event

Exactamundo!

 

Exactly. What in the hell is the "great military honor" of being gay? Ridiculous.

It is nothing more than DESPERATE PANDERING FOR VOTES from an increasingly DESPERATE CAMPAIGN,without a SHRED OF DIGNITY ABOUT IT...

 

Pozhvoleete Amerike, chtobe sdyelat svoy vibor. (apology for the translit i suck at it and don't have my Cyrillic keyboard) We're not Ukraine or Rossia.

 

I'm not agains USA, it's a great country I like very much it's much better than Ukraine and Russia, but it's a little sad to read such news about homosexual encouragement. I respect another people's opinion and I have my own one. I'm not against America I'm against homosexyalism. By the way you have russian skills. did you live in the USSR as I understood?

 

Moskva, RU (not Soviet Union).

 

I agree. Members should be allowed to do as they will, in their own time, but something as such seems unnecessary and a-typical in the military. Maybe it's just a one-time-off or special occasion to apologize to or commemorate homosexuals who were kicked out dishonorably in the past or some sort of PR event of the nature, but certainly not something needing of any tradition. If it were me, I certainly wouldn't call it a "Pride" event as such, that's just a loaded word at this point.

That said, the military's interest isn't ONLY to promote the life of a soldier... soldiers are humans too, and human programs intended for the wellbeing of individuals are certainly understandable. But a "Pride" event strikes me more as a celebration, not a program with practical goals.

 

I was wrong on my initial assessment, so I should come back and fix that. Yes, the military has (and still does) recognize specific groups within the armed ranks for certain actions (particularly following a period of discriminatory practice). Today, there stands a museum that commemorates the accomplishments & efforts of the Tuskegee Airmen... and there are other celebratory representations here and there that seek to celebrate certain portions of a holistic force. So to claim that any action that recognizes a small portion of our military is unprecedented is false.

 

So in this case, it just depends on how they do it. At this point, we have no details of the plans (as far as I've seen) so the only thing I can imagine is a classic Pride festival, which I would hardly find appropriate. But, like I mentioned, an event that honors, apologizes to, and commemorates the homosexuals who were dishonorably kicked out or otherwise shunned in the military seems reasonable. It's a different sort of celebration, that honors them as soldiers who happened to be homosexual, not a celebration of homosexuality itself. For example, I've not seen the museum of the Tuskegee Airmen or any other cases you mention, but I doubt they're filled with in-depth cultural representations of them, but rather honors their contributions as soldiers.

Indeed, if you look at their website, that's basically what you see.

http://tuskegeeairmennationalmuseum.org/history/who-were-they

In all likeliness, what they have planned is likely no different than what they've done in other cases (I hope), but from a smart PR perspective, I would not have called it a "Pride" event.

 

*nods* Agreed on all levels.

 

See, here's the problem I have with this: the special treatment based on demographic characteristics.

The contributions of non-minority service members are no less important, and no less deserving. It is the value of a service members contribution that matters, not some irrelevant characteristic like race, gender or orientation.

Mere acknowledgment doesn't begin to make-up for the ruining of someone's career, either.

 

What if all rank was retroactively reinstated, first, along with pensions, of course, and benefits extended to families? Would you be satisfied that this is the appropriate gesture? I'm for gestures actually having meaning or else it's worthless.

 

Yes, and why stop there? Let's have a Navy Vessel named after Harvey Milk, a lying gay-activist/pedophile. Did they ever work out the lawsuits from heteros being forced to shower with openly gay soldiers? It's one thing to shower with the assumption that all are the same gender and none are oogling at you. It's quite another for women to be forced to shower with men. After all, what is the difference between being forced to shower with men and being forced to shower with open bull dykes? The discomfort level would be off the charts. Men usually aren't opposed to showering with women. There is a discomfort level having them shower with other males who are open about being attracted to men sexually. How will the military resolve this in a way that's fair to all?

 

Have there been a great many reports of gay men attacking straight men in the military?

 

Perhaps, but I'll admit as well that it's not that simple. For starters there would have to be a way to sort out which cases were dismissal for cause versus those that were purely on the basis of orientation. Also, from a legal perspective, one can argue that people knew the risk when they joined (assuming they were aware of their same-sex orientation). As much as it sucks that gay people have been treated this way, I'm for moving forward, not looking back in anger. There may be cases where it's reasonable to reinstate some individuals without unduly burdening the military. I would not be in favor of something like wholesale reparations for an entire class of people.

 

I realize that it's an effort, but...it's money they were denied. Yes, that makes me sound horribly capitalist, but...they were denied the pensions that very well may keep them in old age.

 

It is completely dishonest to say they were integrated because they had to pretend to be hetero. Anytime it was found out they were gay, what happened? They got booted! What kind of integration is that? It isn't you are misusing the term to try and justify your position.

Did you complain about the Army ordering global events for women's history month?

 

I am. What does being a woman have to do with a soldier's military achievement?

 

Simple.

They have a rule that you need to be 18 or older to join.

This assumes that the person has reached some level of emotional maturity to be assigned to America's defense, and if dealing with "discomfort" of showering with others who MAY be "ogling" them is "TOO MUCH" for their sensitive little souls, they are welcome to become Republican party officials for a living instead.

 

Because, obviously, straight US servicemen HAVE NO RIGHTS in the Leftninny College Intramurals Military

 

There is a legitimate concern about open shower bays and lack of privacy because sexual harassment is not limited to any gender or sexual orientation. The only way for the military to address this is to restructure the physical characteristics of training facilities. Once out of basic and AIT, barracks are usually more respective of privacy.

 

You don't get it. The purpose is not to simply celebrate women. It is a collective national recognition of working towards a living Constitution for all.

 

So...If there were more parades for black people, racism would vanish?


I wish I knew it was that easy!

 

That poster didn't say anything close to that.

 

I'm only going by what he wrote.

 

Gays are boring hi-jackers of the civil rights movement turning a noble cause into a repulsive shame.