Isn't Looking Good For Romney

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  1. CSWorden3

    CSWorden3 New Member

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    According to the polls. He has an uphill battle.

    Now if you think the polls are inaccurate or being fudged as I've heard alleged here and there you're just going off your gut anyway. So you could have Romney sweeping the midwest, and the south, and picking off Minnesota or Colorado while he's at it. Thing is Obama can lose the entire south + Ohio, and still win with Michigan, and the western battlegrounds. Or he can lose the entire south, and west, and still win with the mid west. If he wins even one southern state it just gets that much harder to make up the difference. Nether side has anything covered mind you, but I think Romney has a lot more work to do than Obama.
     
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    Most polls overweight dim wit Democrats and Liberals, (it has always been that way), and with the Liberal media cheerleading the poll results the RCP averages are not surprising at all if you have followed politics for any period of time.

    The Liberal dominated media had Carter ahead of Reagan in late October 1980 for largely the same reason as today, yet Reagan won 49 states, (go figure). Only one poll counts when ya get right down to it.

    Bloomberg, (an outlier), and Pew are the only two polls to show Obamaprompter at 50% or better, and if an incumbent is below 50% after 3 & 1/2 years of failure in office undecideds will not break his way.

    Odds always favor an incumbent POTUS, (even a terrible one like this Chicago thug), if ya ponder history a wee bit, and the non Fox non talk radio media is as hard left pro dim wit Democrat as any time in modern history.

    That said: Romney's odds are very good, as this incompetent POTUS is not gonna change 3 & 1/2 years of abject failure in the next few months.

    Karl Rove's superpack, (and the other similar ones), are gonna bring some brutal highlights in the next few months, and killin' OBL isn't gonna outshine this boob's failures, IM not so HO.

    Respectfully, JR
     
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    These polls don't reflect the result of the USSC decision on Obamacare yet either. The Dems losses in 2010 were a direct result of the passage of the law. Now that the only way to get rid of it is to get rid of those who support it. this election could make 2010 look like a small time setback.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the people gave republicans a second chance, they blew it, that will show in the 2012 election, can anyone name one good thing republicans have done in the last 2 years?

    republicans have been more concerned about redefining rape and stuff... crazy

    guess they want biblical law... bad as Sharia law... keep religion out of government


    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy 22:28-29&version=NIV

     
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    Considering that the Democrat run Senate has blocked over 30 bills designed to help the economy. I would think that they are the ones who should be worried.
     
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    Don't forget, the presidental debates are coming up, and Romney's got money. That could make a differnce.
     
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    I don't know; its still rather early in the game; if this were September/october then if i were Romney, I'd be worried but its hard to tell at this stage. Anything could happen between now and election day.
     
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    Something big like Romney asking Condoleezza Rice to run on his ticket for VP and something really big like Condi changing her mind about not wanting to run for office.

    The June polls show Romney catching Obama, narrowing Obama's lead, as compared to the April polls I quote below.

    Romney Rice 2012

    Condi - "ideal running mate for Mitt Romney"

    [video=youtube;BcW-Fsoc96A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcW-Fsoc96A[/video]

    Romney Rice 2012. Condi - "ideal running mate for Mitt Romney" (YouTube)

    June 26, 2012. Condoleezza Rice is interviewed for CBS's "This Morning" by Erica Hill and Charlie Rose days after giving a well-received speech at Mitt Romney's weekend donors' meeting in Utah.

    The CBS video is embedded in a background suggesting a possible "Romney - Rice 2012" Republican ticket for the United States Presidential elections and in support of that idea, the results of April 2012 polls indicating the percentage of U.S. voters with a favorable opinion of

    Condoleezza Rice - 66%
    Barack Obama - 54%
    Mitt Romney - 40%

    This is a link to the CBS report of the interview

    Condi - "the right person for the #2 place on the ticket"

    [video=youtube;ydjbvCz5ufE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydjbvCz5ufE[/video]

    Romney Rice 2012. Condi - "the right person for the #2 place on the ticket" (YouTube)

    June 26, 2012. Condoleezza Rice is interviewed by Greta Van Susteren for 'ON THE RECORD' on the Fox News Channel.


    Condi is the right person for the number two place on the ticket.


    What do I think? I think Romney - Rice would beat Obama - Biden.

    The best tactical counter attack to Romney picking Rice would be for the Democrats to respond with Obama - Clinton, dropping Joe for Hillary.

    Well Oprah Winfrey is very popular as well and might do very well at the polls for a Democrat VP but I don't think she is interested in running for office.
     
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    As horrible as the economy is in those two states, do you actually think oboobma will wn in Pennsylvania and Ohio??????? There are not THAT many blacks in those two states.
     
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    Any ticket wth two blacks on it would be destroyed. There will be as many people voting against oboobma because of his race as voted for him because of it last time. People have learned you cannot send a boy to do a man's job.
     
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    My sense of the "Mood" of the country is that 2012 is even more Any-One-But-Obama/Liberals than 2010, and look at how 2010 turned out;

    Surprize! Surprize! Surprize!...

    There was allot more "Racist" TEA Party "Bubbas" out there than the Polls showed.




    Hey Liberal Press, Can you say ineffective "Push-Polls"..... that's raaaight! I knew you could....​
     
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    The presidency is not a "Man's" Job, it is a very important and demanding job.

    I don't care about her paint-job or her plumbing, I'd vote for a Condi-Romney ticket in a heart beat.

    (Yes, I mean Condi for President, Romney as VP, but the other way around works too)
     
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    Obama, a president seeking re-election, cannot destroy his own ticket by being "black". He's no "blacker" running for re-election than he was running the first time.

    Only if Obama had performed so poorly in his first term so as to cause his unpopularity could he destroy his own ticket. Obama is leading the polls against Romney now so forget any idea that Obama on his own ticket can destroy it.

    I am not suggesting that Obama go out and pick some random "black" for his VP but that picking Oprah Winfrey would be a very strong move to recover from the hit Obama-Biden will take if Romney picks Rice.

    People won't be put off voting for an Obama-Winfrey ticket by Oprah's colour any more than they would be put off watching her TV show by her colour.

    Both Oprah Winfrey and Hillary Clinton are well-known and popular American women. Unlike the relatively unknown Sarah Palin whose sole claim to American fame outside Alaska was McCain picking her for his 2008 ticket, both Oprah's and Hillary's popularity with Americans is long established and won't change any during the campaign.

    Palin was defined by the 2008 campaign. Clinton and Winfrey are already defined in Americans' minds and 2012 won't change Americans' perceptions of those two.

    So either Obama - Clinton or Obama - Winfrey are very strong tickets and could even beat Romney - Rice on popularity if not on competence so I would still be supporting Condi because the world really needs Condi in office again.

    But the Democrats don't need to run their best ticket unless they need to - why embarrass Joe Biden if Obama - Biden can beat a Romney - Other-boring-guy ticket?
     
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    Lets keep this simple how many voters fall between 0 to 400% of the Federal poverty line, in short earning up to $43,000 for a single person and $86,000 for a family of four (more or less on the income). They directly benefit from Obamacare and in many states are a large proportion of the population if they can get to these people they gain and the tax penalty is not a big deal who do you think they might lean voting for?

    And in the case of those in the upper end the premiums are tax deductible expenses so the higher costs are muted by that. For the ones in the bottom half insurance is cheaper and if under 100% of the poverty line or less really cheap.

    As for paying for that why should such voters care or if higher income people pay more taxes and such if they get subsidized health care.

    They have five months to go voters forget easily and may learn more about the law and I pointed out for many it is a major benefit and these people can vote.
     
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    The ObamaCare bill isn't about providing health care.

    It is a Health INSURANCE bill with a huge portion of the legislation dedicated to a federal government take-over of the Higher Education Financing options available to our citizenry, and then applying Radical Racial Preferences to those options.

    No amount of subsidized health insurance will make up for the Bills completely un-constitutional Institutionalized Racism.

    The ObamaCare bill and those who created need to go, the sooner the better.
     
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    You want this tool bag instead? - [video=youtube;a4nvhAZ0vr0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4nvhAZ0vr0[/video]
     
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    Seriously what racism the income range includes all races and many income levels the very poor to the middle class what would have been blue collar America in the 50's. And is about health care delivery that is insurance and that shorting up the economics for the delivery side with much of the bill dedicated to cost savings and funding.

    When I see this its an attack on lower income people and the working people who need help getting medical insurance coverage by the Republicans when much of the laws concepts come out of the conservatives ideas, in fact its Romney's medical system its based on.

    You think I care about anything but getting medical care covered cheap in my case and others who will benefit likely don't care we all vote in OUR best interests now and no one else will care about those of low income why the hell should I care if the other people pay more taxes to do this?

    You know if Obama gets in or the Senate holds its current number of Democrats or adds more seats its over, this matter will be decided once and for all. Again all they have to do is make this about health care for those in a broad income range and make sure its going to be beneficial and its a going to get votes.
     
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    You don't get it, do you?

    The law, before it started being implemented was not popular with a lot of people. Over the last two years, MANY people have started to enjoy the early benefits of that law, and every month that goes by, new benefits are being experienced by MANY.

    Already, the "in favor or repeal" is barely more than against repeal.

    And, if you ask the specific questions about the benefits that are already in place, or those coming up soon, the MAJORITY of people want to keep those benefits.

    The "horror stories" that the Right propaganda machine spread prior and just after the passing of the law have not happened, and on the contrary, people are enjoying several of the early benefits brought by the law, including MANY seniors who really enjoy paying less for their medications and seeing the "donut hole" shrink!

    I think as time goes by, the number of people disagreeing with the affordable health care bill is shrinking. . .I believe that the time to repeal it has gone by. . .and for Romney (of all people, since he was the precursor of such a law in Massachusetts) to run on "repealing Obamacare" is a ridiculous and false statement that will go no where. . .but will satisfy ONLY the people who would never vote for Obama anyway. . .so it is just preaching to the choir. . .but not bringing in more Republicans (and certainly not more Democrats or Independents) to the polls to vote for Romney!
     
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    The ObamaCare bill contains 25+ separate provisions for Racial Preferences, particularly as affecting how Higher Education Instituions get funding, and restricting funding to any that do not meet Racial Preference Objectives (TBD) to be later determined by appointed, not elected (TBD) officals.


    Go...

    Read...

    The...

    BILL!​
     
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    If the past is any indication the last thing Romney wants to do is debate Obama. He had trouble with Perry and Paul out shined him with wit and weighty answers (when he was allowed to talk). He best chance will be to belch the alphabet in one long expelling of gas that will win the respect of the limited section of his base in the electorate intelligent enough to fill out a voter registration.
     
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    I guess when you can't debate with anything of substance, you just resort to ad-hominem name calling...


    Well, Stupid is as Stupid does.


    ( I note that you really don't want to discusss the Racial Preferences in the Obamacare bill )
     
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    I think regardless of anything... Romney will be fine. Jeesh, he is like a billionaire, right?
    And, regardless of anything... Obamarama will be fine too... as he has amassed a fine fortune while being president and can milk his presidency for 100K per speaking jabber after he leaves office.

    The folks who won't be fine following the election are people like me.. and maybe you too? I need a career or at worst, a good job. And I really don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) which president gets me one. All I do know, is that Obamarama has done NOTHING for me and my family since being elected.

    Not wanting to once again prove that enigmatic definition of "insane"... I need to do something different this time and vote for anyone other than Obamarama.
     
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    Obama is a very good speaker when reading a prepared speech from a teleprompter. He is not a good debater. Many years ago I watched Alan Keys mop the floor with him.
     
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    we will soon see who is the better debater

    also wondering who Romney will pick as his VP
     

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