Islam Thread

http://www.radioislam.org/ataturk/jewish.htm

 

Well, someone is lying (maybe everyone!).

Paul said that the Law didn't come from God.
Galatians 3:19-20 (CEV) = What is the use of the Law? It was given later to show that we sin. But it was only supposed to last until the coming of that descendant who was given the promise. In fact, angels gave the Law to Moses, and he gave it to the people. There is only one God, and the Law did not come directly from him.

The Pharisees said that Jesus wasn't educated.
Matthew 13:54-55 (NKJV) = When He had come to His own country, He taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished and said, “Where did this Man get this wisdom and these mighty works? Is this not the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, Joses, Simon, and Judas?

As it says in Sirach 38:21-34 (CEB) craftsmen were needed but they could never rise above their station as manual laborers. It was unthinkable that a common carpenter was smart enough or had the time to learn what educated scribes had taken years to master.

The scribe’s superiority

24 The scribe’s wisdom depends on the opportunity for leisure, and whoever lacks busyness will become wise.
25 How will people become wise when they take hold of a plow or pride themselves in how well they handle an ox prod, when they drive cattle
and are absorbed with their work, and their conversation is about bulls?
26 Their hearts are given over to plowing furrows, and they lose sleep
because they’re concerned about supplying heifers with food.
27 So it is also with every craftsperson and master artisan who carries over the day’s work into the night, who carves figures on seals and works diligently to make diverse ornamentations. They will devote themselves to producing a lifelike painting, and they lose sleep in order to finish their work.
28 So it is with smiths who sit near an anvil and who closely examine works of iron. The blast of the fire will melt their flesh, and they will struggle with the heat of the furnace. The sound of the hammer will strike their ears again and again, and their eyes are focused on the pattern of the object. They will devote themselves to finishing the work, and they lose sleep in order to complete its decoration.
29 So it is with potters sitting at their work, turning the wheel at their feet.
They lie down always feeling anxiety about their work, and every product of theirs is valued.
30 They will mold the clay with their hands and work the wheel with their feet. They will devote themselves to finishing the glazing, and they lose sleep in order to clean the kiln.

31 All of these have relied on their hands, and each one is skilled in their work.
32 Without them a city can’t be inhabited, and they neither go abroad to live as immigrants nor travel about. However, they aren’t sought out
when the people hold a council,
33and they won’t gain prominence in the assembly. They won’t sit in the judge’s seat, and they won’t understand the disposition of a legal case. They will never shed light on instruction and judgment, and their words
won’t be memorialized in proverbs.
34 But they support the world from its foundations, and their prayer is concerned with their craft.

But those who devote themselves and think about the Law of the Most High are the exception.

 

*Laylat al-Qadr is the 27th day of Ramadan. It is celebrated because this is the first day in which the Prophet Muhammad (pbub) recieved the relevation thag is the Holy Quran.

*Shia Muslims observe Laylat al-Qadr on the 23rd day of Ramadan.

*It is translated to: The Blessed Night, Night of Destiny, Night of Power or Night of Power.

*Muslims pray an extra night prayer on this day, as well as recite the Quran as tradition.

*Laylat al-Qadr falls on August 14, 2012 this Ramadan.

*Surah 97 is called Surah al-Qadr;

Indeed, We sent the Qur'an down during the Night of Decree.
And what can make you know what is the Night of Decree?
The Night of Decree is better than a thousand months.
The angels and the Spirit descend therein by permission of their Lord for every matter.
Peace it is until the emergence of dawn. ​

*Muhammad (pbuh) recieved the first revelation at Jabal al-nur, a mountain in Arabia. He was in a cave called Hira, when the angel Jibreel (Gabriel) visited him with the Holy Words of Allah SWT for all of mankind. Jibreel told Muhammad (pbuh) to read, when he told him he could not read, Jibreel again said read. Muhammad (pbuh) ask what he should read, and Jibreel replied with,

"Read, in the Name of your Lord, who created. Created Man from a clinging clot (in the mother's womb). Read and your lord is most generous. The One who taught Man through the use of the pen - taught Man what he did not know before".

This is Surah al-Alaq, which means "The Clot", the 96th Surah in the Holy Quran. But the first revelation to Muhammad (pbuh).

Recite in the name of your Lord who created -
Created man from a clinging substance.
Recite, and your Lord is the most Generous -
Who taught by the pen -
Taught man that which he knew not.​

These are verses 1 through 5 of the Surah, the very first revelations of the Quran. The rest of the Surah follows, verses 6 to 19.

No! [But] indeed, man transgresses
Because he sees himself self-sufficient.
Indeed, to your Lord is the return.
Have you seen the one who forbids
A servant when he prays?
Have you seen if he is upon guidance
Or enjoins righteousness?
Have you seen if he denies and turns away -
Does he not know that Allah sees?
No! If he does not desist, We will surely drag him by the forelock -
A lying, sinning forelock.
Then let him call his associates;
We will call the angels of Hell.
No! Do not obey him. But prostrate and draw near [to Allah].​

 

Which version of the Koran do you use?

 

http://quran.com

I use this website so if I need to link to it directly I can.

Those verses can be found...

http://quran.com/97

and

http://quran.com/96

Edit: The translation is Sahih International

 

Thanks. I am unfamiliar with that translation.

 

Yeah I wasn't too familiar with it either. I was more Yusuf Ali and Pickthall. But I like this website as you can link to Surahs, specific verses and it has a "More Context" button lol

 

*Eid al-Fitr is the celebration which marks the end of Ramadan.

*Translated to English, it means "Feastival of Breaking the Fast".

*Eid al-Fitr should fall on August 18, 2012.

*During Eid al-Fitr, Muslims prayer a special prayer in the morning before partaking in Eid activities (usually spending time with family. Some Masjid's have Eid Parties and barbeques)

*Also during Eid al-Fitr, Muslims pay the Zakat al-Fitr, and obligation of all Muslims. Zakat is charity.

*Eid al-Fitr last 3 days after Ramadan. These are the first three days in the 10th month of the Islamic calendar, Shawwal.

*The Eid greeting, for both Eid's (I will get into Eid al-Adha tomorrow) is Eid Mubarak, or Blessed Eid.

*Eid al-Fitr falls 11 days earlier every year on the Gregorian Calendar.

*Eid al-Fitr is a celebration of Allah SWT, unity and family, where Muslims from all walks of life come together in celebration of the blessed day.

*While Eid is celebrated globally, the largest public celebrations are held in the Middle East.

 

What amazes me is that people think that Islam is worth discussing, Islam is evil, Islam is injustice, Islam is hatred of everything that is not Islamo, Islam is mysogeny, Islam is hatred of gays, Islam is the putrid stench of humanity's lowest achievements. Islamo's killed 3000 Americans on 9/11 and they murder every day in someplace.

 

An Imam told me when Christians evangelize to Muslims it makes them cringe when they hear what we say about Jesus Christ. An Arab Christian told me if I had done to an Imam in the middle east what I did to this Imam I would never be seen again.

 

We are very lucky that we don't have to cope with the ancient Israelites/Jews/Hebrews. Now those folks were some real homicidal maniacs with a mean religous bigoted attitude. They make the most radical muslim seem like a nice guy.

 

OJLeb: Your comments on sexual molestation of boys in Islam.

 

*Eid al-Adha is the 2nd Eid, which comes after Eid al-Fitr.

*Eid al-Adha falls on October 26, 2012.

*There is no period of fasting during the follow up to Eid al-Adha. However, there is an extre morning prayer on the day, similar to Eid al-Fitr.

*However, before Eid al-Adha, millions of Muslims from across the planet, of all kinds of different walks of life, travel to Mecca to perform the Hajj at the Ka'aba.

*Eid al-Adha translates to "Festival of Sacrifice".

*Unlike Eid al-Fitr, which is celebration of Quran, Eid al-Adha celebrates the sarcifice the Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) (pbuh) attempted to make for Allah SWT.

*Muslims believe the son he was willing to sacrifice was Ismail (Ishmael) (pbuh), but Allah SWT instead asked him to sarcifice a cattle.

This is why, on Eid al-Adha, Muslims around the world perform sacrifices of cattle.

*The meat from the cattle is eaten, and fractions are seperated for friends, family and the poor.

*Verse 196 of Surat al-Baqarah describes Eid al-Adha:

And complete the Hajj and 'umrah for Allah. But if you are prevented, then [offer] what can be obtained with ease of sacrificial animals. And do not shave your heads until the sacrificial animal has reached its place of slaughter. And whoever among you is ill or has an ailment of the head [making shaving necessary must offer] a ransom of fasting [three days] or charity or sacrifice. And when you are secure, then whoever performs 'umrah [during the Hajj months] followed by Hajj [offers] what can be obtained with ease of sacrificial animals. And whoever cannot find [or afford such an animal] - then a fast of three days during Hajj and of seven when you have returned [home]. Those are ten complete [days]. This is for those whose family is not in the area of al-Masjid al Haram. And fear Allah and know that Allah is severe in penalty.​

 

It is forbidden.

 

OJLeb: Your comments on child marriage in Islam.

 

Here is some information on the Sahih International translation of the Holy Quran.

I would copy/paste it, but it is a pain to do on a cellphone.

 

Koran sura 56.17-18 They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine

Koran sura 52.24 And there shall wait on them (the Muslim faithful males) young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls.

Koran sura 76.19 They shall be attended by boys graced with eternal youth, who will seem like scattered pearls to the beholders.

A Muslim poet writes:

'O the joy of sodomy!
So now be sodomites, you Arabs.
Turn not away from it--
therein is wondrous pleasure.
Take some coy lad with kiss-curls
twisting on his temple
and ride as he stands like some gazelle
standing to her mate.
A lad whom all can see girt with sword
and belt not like your whore who has
to go veiled.
Make for smooth-faced boys and do your
very best to mount them, for women are
the mounts of the devils'

 

Child marriages are not Islamic. It is cultural, goes back to the Arab tribes. And is not exclusive to Arabs/Middle Easterners/Muslims.

In Islam, BOTH the man and woman must give consent before marriage, and therefore must understand what they are doing.

How many of the child marriages you read about involve the child giving consent and understanding what is going on?

Orphans being married must be old enough to be able to recieve any money or property left to them by their parents. Again, you cannot leave children with this responsibility.

 

This is not the first time I have explained how these verses have nothing to do with sexuality today....

Original claim above, my response below.

I must ask, since you even used Abu Nawas' poem... Did you get this from the same website?

 

That is the Islam we should know and loath, why people try create a reality about Islam that is different from the observable truth that Islamo's place daily on display is beyond me.

 

We don't have to. Just speak truth to them. I invite all Christians to go into your local mosques. Challenge the Imams. Challenge the members. Evangelize to them and spread the good news of the Lord Jesus Christ. Do not fear them, love them. Do not hate them, love them. Do not get angry with them, love them. There is a reason when Christians do this in Muslim countries they are subject to death oftentimes. It is because the power of Christ reveals a man's true self, and it is an uncomfortable feeling. We love feeling that we are righteous. We love feeling that we are good. Desperately wicked you say? No man wants to see his true self in the eyes of God. This is our duty. Reveal to these people God's word and do not relent. Let the power of the Holy Spirit work inside them.

 

HI
I LIKE Your words... those smells peace.
All of Muslims like the holy spirit work inside them but they know the brighter and newer Holy Spirit from your word.
They have Qur'an and Hadis that show them the way to God ... Our Goal are the same my friend bring to God but we chose a way that we think it has more brighter....

Why don't any body talks about Subscriptions about Islam and Christians?

 

But you don't have the real truth. You cannot expect to go to God in any way that God hasn't given you. The Qu'ran and Hadiths are not the Word of God. They were written by men.

 

Saved people aren't the only ones who have a spirit with them.

Proof in point your post. However, I don't believe you actually understand the word holy.

 

*In Islam, there are 5 concepts all Muslims must follow. Ramadan (fasting) is one of them.

*The Five Pillars of Islam are:

1) Shahada: I bear witness there is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is His messenger.

2) Salat, the Arabic word for prayer.

3) Zakat, or charity.

4) Fasting and observing Ramadan.

5) Performing Hajj, or pilgrimage, at the Ka'aba in Mecca.


I will go into detail each of the Pillars of Islam.