The Experiment.

i disagree, i think the second group will be intelligent and experienced in arts of exploitation, deception, practical violence, and reacting quickly in unfavorable situations, these are things you do not learn effectively from reading or martial arts class, the Romans enslaved millions of much more intelligent Greeks which only served to enrich the Romans at the expense of the much better educated greeks.

If you give anyone the distorted world view of benevolence without the matching balance of violence you are setting them up to fail. No matter what they read or how hard they train they will always give new comers the benefit of the doubt resulting in their domination, which i may add they will not be able to react to because of lack of real life dangerous violence.

Its not pretty, its not fair, but based on history this is the conclusion i come to.

 

... that's a horrible theory. Why don't you read the op for what it is and try again, rather than going off topic in an attempt to troll?

 

I did read the op you can tell that is what he is getting at.

 

Okay, mind reader, being that you may or may not be correct in your perceived agenda of the op, your opinion of the current events in foreign relations between the middle east and the west does not correlate with history or logical thinking in any manner.

 

and your still trolling

 

So if I simply state my opinion and you don't like it, it is trolling. Actually I have a lot of proof to show you otherwise that my opinoins are correct.
Read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs_and_antisemitism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa
http://www.gamepolitics.com/category/topics/middle-east

 

Oh! Right. Sorry. Okay, that changes things a bit ...

In that case, Group #2 will break into a class structure. An alpha will emerge and control the food supply, and access to other resources, and to a large (but not thorough) extent this alpha will control access to the females of the group. The upshot will be that the growth of the rest of Group #2 will be stunted, and the only really healthy ones will be the alpha and whatever muscle the alpha manipulates through gifts.

Group #1 won't have much to worry about from them.

I'm rooting for group #1, still, but I'm not entirely sure why.

 

Oh, your another one who claims to have proof. Did your high school teachers let you use wikipedia as a valid source?
Why don't you read about Europeans and antisemitism
The anti israel jewish population in Iran
American installed dictators in the middle east and around the world.

Who cares about video games, regardless of the inconclusive results of their behavior effects( they are inconclusive because of voluntary response, not being double blind etc.)
Obesity and video games have nothing to do with foreign relations.
The leaders of different and diverse nations being total dicks however does.

 

Eh... what tends to happen more often is that violent cultures conquer the nonviolent ones.

It doesn't mean might is right. It just means that might is often more successful at survival.

 

that's what i suggested, only in more words.

 

Island 1 will whither and die as all the chicks immediately hook up with bad dudes from island 2 once they have successfully made the guys on island 1 look like sensitive panty waste.

 

The kids from Island one will be beaten, separated, raped and separated from their children and all of their education will be gone with the first generation.

 

That is possible. My inclination to favor group #1 may be costing me necessary emotional detachment from the scenario.

However! Let me point out that while the history books would tend to agree, the history books also tend to ignore everything that isn't violent.

 

The scenario was odd. It implied that human beings are either perfect or wretched and created an artificial chasim. People also react differently in the same scenario depending on their predispositions. I also found the references to sexuality in the experiment to be wierd. Kids between 5 and 10 that have access to pornography (sadims? WTF?)....I think the scenario is flawed and disconnected to reality or any semblance of it and that is why the responses are more humourous than anything.

 

That's a much better direction for this predictably transparent thread.
But the answer is that the barbarians would sneak over at night and kill the residents of fantasy island with coconuts as they slept.
They could spare the hot babes for raping later, keep the fatties alive in a cage for eating, but kill anyone who might be a threat.
Then they could pillage the village and use the books for toilet paper.
Problem solved.

 

What's with the no porn rule? You want kids boning each other lol?

You can't make sexual desire just go away, you can't really modify such a core element of human nature with "conditioning".

 

Possibly because the history books are written by the violent victors?

 

An isolated experiment of this kind could be produced, although illegal and unethical. The op does not claim either to be wretched, only what they are exposed to. Many children from 5 to 10 are given free access to the internet at home with a possibility of being exposed to pornography. How can the scenario be flawed when it has no desired outcome? It is a humorous thread of a hypothetical question, which you didn't answer.

 

they can have classical Erotica, just not the hard core stuff or the really weird stuff.

 

Yes it is, and that is your reading of it.

Please do not nationalise the experiment.

Btw.

The West has books, and Westerners read books.

 

Haven't you looked at the world around you?

If your reasoning were correct, then the world would be dominated by mass hoardes of v violent, and uneducated people.

It isn't.

It may be that these hoardes are used and exploited.

But by whom?

Mostly men who, themselves, have never killed anyone, and are very well read.

Thus, a small number of well read and correctly trained people, can easily dominate even a much larger number of not bright people.

Imo.

 

Even that is not quite accurate.

And the very top of that pyramid....the most intelligent of minds, men who have marinated themselves in philosophies like that of Gustav Le Bon.

They are the real winners.

Because they use their intellect.

 

I did not suggest making sexual desire go away.

I, for example, abhor porn, and have never used the internet to access it.

I was rather sad to be told, some time ago, that it's what the biggest % of people apparently use it for.

What a waste of a fantastic source of information, watching grotesque images, of often perverse situations.

Anyway, despite my not being into porn, my sexual appetite remains.

Kids are subjected to porn in more ways you know.

Look at many of the music vids, songs, and even the sexualisation of children, by way of companies making gel filled bra's for kids.

Porn and classic erotica are two different things, to be honest.

And remember also, that the kids are there for ten years.

 

I have said member on ignore, just in case you think I am rudely not replying to them.

It's because I'm not.

Thanks for your efforts though.

Jack

 

So are you picking kids with high IQs for group A? Is this some master race scenario you're trying to set up here?