Chick-fil-a "day" makes me sad...

You got it man! I'm gay and understand that some people cannot consider the 'mechanics' of gay sex positively. But there are things which heterosexuals do, that I don't like thinking about myself.

Having said that, I've learned it is best to be kind/gentle to people in responding to them (just as you indicated above). It's not easy, but it does get easier over time to be decent and civil about human sexuality with practice. Being MEAN to people about any of this, isn't going to make them "straight"... anymore than it would turn someone "gay".

For example, I just don't get the bisexual thing too much... but I know well that some people are just that. I don't want to mistreat those individuals either.

I hope that helps 'some'.

 

To the religious person, marriage is a ceremony given by God from the beginning of mankind with the joining of Adam and Eve. There are certainly opinions to the contrary; however, given the religious influences of mankind for the last 5000 years or so, I believe the likely conclusion is that Marriage is a relgion based event or a relgion perpetuated event.

So on one hand, you consider that Church and State should be separate (which is not what the Constitution says btw, please study for truth not spin) and gays should be alowed to marry, yet on the other hand, you seem to be suggesting you would like to use the State to determine what the Church's Religious Marriage Ceremony is.

If gays had spent the last 20 years seeking Civil Union, or Domestic Partnership, or some other title with the same benefits as marriage it would have been done by now. That's not what they want though. They want to dictate to religion they must alter their time honored ceremony to make them happy and whole.

Personally, I'm agnostic, but in this case I believe religion has the right to define the rules of marriage, and yes government should be out of it. Using tax code to favor a marriage status over any other status is immoral.

 

I thought you were in your 20's. Remember what I said to you about DADT. Now I know how long you served in silence.

**hugs**

I really have no words...

 

Yes.

That is what marriage is to those who 'believe' in the manner you describe; and NO ONE can take away that 'belief' from them. However, that 'belief' should not and cannot actually be IMPOSED upon all other human beings.

It should not have to; and many cases of "settled law" concurs with the clear ideal of freedom FROM religion as well as freedom OF religion. After all... IF religion were allowed to be IMPOSED upon all other Americans, WHICH 'belief' would be THE one imposed??? (Do you see the legal, moral and social quagmire that would flow from such an imposition of "religion" upon ALL?)

Look... YOU believe as you do, fine. Not everyone is going to open up the Bible and get what YOU got from it (or what was TAUGHT TO YOU). That is reality. Please... I understand religion and have some very deep 'beliefs' myself... but please... STOP with this notion that has oppressed and killed several million people over many millenia. What YOU believe is what YOU embrace as truth... that is not so with all others.

No "ceremony"... just the legal benefits and privileges that are actually being fought for. That is, the individual can/should be allowed to choose the ceremony, but the legal aspect should be defined by the State... just as it is for heterosexual marriages. (Nothing more, nothing less regardless of sexual-orientation.)

If people weren't so intransigent about the range of meanings which "marriage" encompasses... gays would be allowed legal marriages in every state by now. YOU and those who are only for "heterosexual marriage" DO NOT own the word "marriage". It is MORE than a religious ceremony; it is also a legal agreement between two people. Really, that will be fought for until we have the SAME LEGAL RIGHTS.

Okay, you're correct. We want "marriage"... for ALL of the legal reasons using that word matters. Do you see/understand that??

Wrong or lying... that is all I can see in the above. (Which is it, in your opinion?) Gay people DO NOT want to tell religious people what to do and NO... religion does not OWN the word "marriage".

No, religion DOES NOT own that "right". Why would you 'believe' that??!! Come on. This isn't THAT difficult to fathom.

There is more to "marriage" (legally) than taxes.

 

This --> "No "ceremony"... just the legal benefits and privileges that are actually being fought for. That is, the individual can/should be allowed to choose the ceremony, but the legal aspect should be defined by the State... just as it is for heterosexual marriages. (Nothing more, nothing less regardless of sexual-orientation.) " via- Johnny-C

 

You don't need no stinkin' tax break.
You don't need no official control.
No false unions in my nation
Hey queers, leave marriage alone!

 

Thanks for the hugs. What all those years of secrecy did for me, was taught me how to express love, concern and loyalty in great ways.

The worst thing for me was the fear that the longer I stayed in, the more I could lose all I had worked for... just because someone either 'thought' or figured out I was a homosexual. Some (straight) people knew... but they proved themselves to be as trustworthy/loving as anyone could be.

Today, it is great to see both older and younger people adjusting to the reality of homosexual people serving openly in the military. It's amazing to see it happening before my eyes; that's for sure.

 

How about NOT communicating 'hatred'... no matter how you feel. (You aren't helping anything.)

Other than that... maybe you can just try harder to get over it.

 

The military is paid for by my, yours, their tax dollars. Your lives are regulated by government and for this reason I say that I hope you and your "spouse" (if you have one) get military marriage benefits in your lifetime. I think it will...enough attorneys are trying to make that happen.

 

That was a parody of Pink Floyd and was not hatred.
I gotta compete with hiphop violence. They have a grasp on the youth.

 

Everyone. notice the change in strategy of the left? Took a ass whuppin on the First. and now they're trying this technique. No. this isn't gonna work either. what's next.

 

Thanks; and I hope you are right. It would be a good thing.

 

What's Next! What's Next! What's Next!?

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So, what are you saying? I don't need your clever verses; sorry about that.

Do you think homosexual couples should be allowed to marry?

 

LOL!! We'll see what happens.

 

That's fine. I don't really think they should get tax breaks unless they have children, and I don't really think they should in that case either. Equal treatment between gay and straight married people and single people. Equal treatment, my mantra. Favoritism, moderate mantra.

 

Okay.

I say that as long as heterosexuals (with or without children) receive certain benefits and privileges... so should homosexual couples be allowed the same. If they change that for everyone... that would be fair.

 

Don't care if it's lyrics the word queer is a hateful word.

Why does everyone think we have a strategy or agenda? Do you think they hand all "lefties" a playbook or something lmao? Honestly the majority of the nation now support gay marriage and it's only going to gain more support with each year, looks like we aren't the minority anymore.

It's a serious issue, people are finally seeing there are still people that are discriminated against in the "land of the free" and trying to change it. I do agree we need to focus more on bigger issues but this is still a important issue... I love watching history unfold right before my eyes.

 

He has feelings; but not all Americans are with him.

Putting the rights of homosexual people up for a popular vote, will ultimately be found to be against the U.S. Constitution. That is, eventually gay marriage will come via the COURTS (all the way up the USSC, if necessary).

It is merely a matter of time.

 

Now see, that's the problem. The Government is not about to get 'fair' if it costs more.

The biggest thing that affects the most people is Social Security. To be 'fair', this money would have to be deemed 'yours' and therefore assignable to another person of your choosing. That is NOT going to happen with a system that is already going broke. For single people that die early with no dependent children, sorry, they keep the money and will continue to do so.

 

Chick-fil-a day makes you sad. It's funny that the left calls anyone who opposes gay marriage a hateful bigot, but they wouldn't permit for two brothers to marry. Nor would they permit for a gay man to have two husbands. It's as simple as this: the right supports a definition of marriage exclusive to monogamous adult heterosexual non-related relationships, and the left wants to extend it to monogamous adult non-relative relationships. There's just one difference, and somehow the left is enlightened for wanting to give marriage benefits designed for a nuclear family to a couple of dudes who will never procreate.

Another person's opposition to gay marriage is about as hateful as my opposition to giving VA benefits to non-veterans.

 

I'm still waiting for the left to rally behind incest and polygamy but, since neither incestual nor polygamous partners are generous Democratic donors, I don't see that happening.

 

You were "thrown in" because you keep saying the word "hate"...there is nothing "hateful" about believing in traditional marriage....it's just so happens that it's not what you believe. What gives you the right to say these people "hate" anybody? I happen to believe that people should be able to be with and marry whom ever they choose. But, I have to say that most people that believe in only the man and woman thing also happen to be the most at peace people I know.

There is no "hate" involved here, so quit calling it that, and try to look at both sides with an open mind.

The owner of chick fil a has never caused "hate" he has never discriminated against anyone...so let him have his opinion, it is not hurting anyone the man was asked a question, he answered honestly and his answer was the same as Obama's answer just months ago....and the liberals and the gays were silent...why? I wonder which time Obama was being truthful when he answered the same question and gave two different answers?

 

Hahaha -Jon Stewart right? Heard that quip this morning.

 

I am beginning to think Americans are actually proud of the intolerance in their society. Or maybe they regard it as a sport that indulges their divisions.