New Romney Ad NAILS OBAMA With the Truth About Medicare Cuts: Obama=$726 Billion CUT

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  1. Kranes56

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    Of course, I have a Clue, along with Monopoly, Connect Four, and Apples to Apples.
     
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    The article is misleading, as it bases its information on the Ryan plan, but Romney has his own plan which we have not fully seen yet. Its the Romney plan that matters. Its nothing but a hack piece.
     
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    Accepted. :handshake:
     
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    It mentioned that small detail, you realize that?

    Why the Democrats are wrong: First off, it’s unclear whether Romney fully embraces Ryan’s plan. At a debate in January, Romney said Ryan’s plan was “absolutely right on.” This week, he said his plan is probably different in some respects from Ryan’s plan, but he didn’t offer any details.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/79725_Page2.html#ixzz23ZqENXsC
     
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    Romney has stated his plan from the start: to repeal ObamaCare. No secret about that plan, is there? Ryan's plan is showing us what will happen after Romney goes through with his plan.
     
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    I saw that, but the whole thing is tainted by basing anything on Ryan's plan...
     
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    Then you can make that point when Mittens has a plan, as of right now, this what we got.
     
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    Ryan's plan is BRILLIANT,and EVERY SENIOR I KNOW OF, who has been TOLD THE TRUTH ABOUT IT...LOVES IT.

    It would provide seniors with $8000 annually to spend on their health AS THEY SEE FIT (like an HSA), and whatever they do not spend, REMAINS IN THEIR ACCOUNT.

    Any expenses OVER IT, and MEDICARE kicks in....what's not to like?
     
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    Flawed and tainted is flawed and tainted, so I'm not accepting it as anything except the hack journalism it is...
     
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    Meanwhile...NO ANSWER for the $726 BILLION Obama took from Medicare.....
     
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    The Ryan Romney VOUCHER plan is not pegged to the rising cost of health care which increases much faster than inflation. . Instead it's pegged to the rate of inflation plus 1% or some such suicidal formula for the seniors.

    Plus the CBO projects that the cost of health care per senior by the time Ryan's VOUCHER program kicks in (including out of pocket expenses) will be about 20,510 per year. The $8000 figure is a lie and amounts to nothing more that crap on a stick.

    Medicare will simply collapse under this plan and private insurance is inefficient because it spends too much of its' healthcare dollars on sales reps and advertising.

    Conservatives hate government programs. So why would they accept Ryans moronic health care scheme which is nothing more than another government program set fo fail.
     
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    Horsecrap., You are completely IGNORANT of Ryan healthcare plan, obiously. The figrue IS NOT A LIE,and the only reason you try to claim it is, is because you CANNOT CHALLENGE HIS PLAN, WITHOUT LYING ABOUT IT.

    Standard Leftninny Bullcrap.

    In addition, Ryan would require OPEN,PUBLICLY DISPLAYED PRICING for MOST MEDICAL PROCEDURES....
     
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    You're not paying attention - because you don't want to. You think there is no problem. Grow up: this program is doomed if is not drastically altered.

    Medicare still kicks in above 8K. You claim it will simply collapse? Just how much per patient do you think Medicare costs NOW?

    Do you have a single clue about what you're talking? If so, then MAKE THE CASE that Medicare will collapse under this reform - because I firmly believe you're FOS, and cannot carry your own water in this debate.
     
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    The $ 726 BILLION OBama took for Medicare would easily cover the $8000 voucher/HSAs....hopefully we can reclaim some of it...
     
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    Two different ideology's at work.

    Democrats want to fund the ailing medicare while the Republicans want to destroy it.

    Simple as that.
     
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    a new Romney ad nailed obama...

    How the (*)(*)(*)(*) does that even work? Sure you have tab A but there is no slot B. I don't even think you can physically touch an ad. Just... HOW DOES THIS WORK?
     
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    HArdly. The Democrats TOOK $726 BILLION OUT OF MEDICARE...how is that "funding the ailing"?

    The Republicans offer a plan that EMPOWERS the SENIORS, and not the government "Asset Allotment Panels"....
     
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    No money has been taken from Medicare right now. The 700 billion dollars will not come out of seniors pockets. It will be used to cut projected cost increases in Medicare expenses over a period of years. This includes cutting the Medicare advantage program making wealthier seniors pay more out of their own pockets for Cadillac health care plans. It also cuts projected increased payments to providers over a series of years. But the program allows for free procedures and medical tests for seniors. And the cuts are part of making providers more efficient as well as cutting back on some exorbitant fees charged by providers.
    By the time the Ryan plan VOUCHERS kick in with their $8000 the cost of healthcare per senior per year will be twice the $8000 eventually forcing Medicare to collapse. The Ryan program is another government program but a dumb one with built in failure designed into it. It is absolutely not pegged to the rising cost of healthcare. It’s pegged to some conservative’s wet dream Health Care scheme. .
     
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    Bullcrap. It will come out of the funds available for their CARE, the extent of which will be determined by "Asset Allotment Panels".

    Under the GOP plan, THEY get to decide what to spend their health money on....it's called "Freedom",and leftists always HATE IT....

    The $726 billion Obama has taken from Medicare would EASILY cover the voucher/HSA costs...EASILY.
     
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    Oh goodie, liberals want to throw money at a problem, that ALWAYS works, just look at our awesome schools...
     
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    did they mention that was a savings from what was being paid to 3rd party insurers, it was cheaper to do it in-house

    funny, republicans want to destroy medicare and Social security as they think they are socialism, and they act all concerned

    when republicans are concerned, you can bet it benefits the 90% rather then the 10%

    the "people" they care about are the "Corps" why do you think they wanted them called "People"

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    I've given you a reasonable explanation as to the 700 billion dollar cuts in projected increased expenses in Medicare as well as a good explanation as to how your ryan plan Vouchers are just pie in the sky day dreaming and all you can say is BullCrap and some nonsense about how screwing over seniors in the future is Freedom.

    If your not smart enough to address any of my comments just say so but don't try to pave everything over with simplistic words like bullcrap and freedom. ;) ;) ;)
     
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    "Romney ad attacks Obama on Medicare"

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-ad-attacks-obama-medicare-191139513.html

    ""The savings his ad attacks do not cut a single guaranteed Medicare benefit, and Mitt Romney embraced the very same savings when he promised he'd sign Paul Ryan's budget," she said. "Because the president is eliminating subsidies to insurance companies and cutting waste and fraud, we've extended the life of Medicare by eight years.""
     
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    Mega LOL! Obama hasn't "funded" Medicare...on the contrary, he's taken over $700 billion dollars out of it as we all know!

    And why are seniors being robbed like Peter, so Obama can pay Paul? So Obama can put more money into free contraception (sexual and reproductice health) and treatment of illegals (the expansion of Medicaid), as the left well knows:
    http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2012/07/obamacare_people_of_color.html
    "Young people of Color" are all taken care of under Obama. Older people? Not so much and Obama has no plans to rescue, reform or save Medicare.

    Obama's top medical advisor, Ezekiel Emanual believes that doctors should do more than just treat illness...they have a duty to also work for the greater "good" of society. That includes rationing medical care and that means not wasting resources on the people that are a drag on health care (i.e. older people...the people that usually need health care more) in favor of young healthy people. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203706604574374463280098676.html

    Your post is amusing in it's ignorance but illustrative of Obama Cafe and it's priorities. Obama is pushing grandma under the bus to finance a free ride for others. Tell everyone you know!
     
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    Yours is a stupid response. Republicans - notably Ryan - want to reform both programs, and privatize them to allow them to not to go bankrupt. Ya know...bankrupt? That word that socialists don't ever acknowledge?

    What part of "both programs are not sustainable" do you not understand???
     

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