Torturing a 16 year old girl and everything. I mean, they are beating the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of people here. Like, breaking bones and all that. [video=youtube_share;kBCoNn-3Zok]http://youtu.be/kBCoNn-3Zok[/video]
Yeah . . . nothing happy in there. But it's still worlds better than letting those malcontents have their way with the country.
There's a bunch of sick people here at this forum. If I see you condemning repression in Iran I will remind you of what you said here.
Protesters have rights and the police assaulting law obiding citizens would be and outrage and rightly so. However, rioters do not have any right in my opinion and might as well be shot at with live ammunition. I think the police should save all their brutality for those scumbags.
I'm sick? Yeah, ok. Look, I have no problem with people having a problem. What I have a problem with is people who have no plan whatsoever trying to change my country. They get a bunch of people together in the street and misinterpret that to mean that they've got something real going on, and they get all full of themselves that this time, this time, they're going to change something. But what do they want? And I mean this seriously. I actually agree with what they're saying, mostly. But they have no specific changes that they want. They haven't really even asked for anything at all yet, which is beyond annoying. They've put forth no coherent vision of how the world would be without Wall Street - if getting rid of Wall Street is indeed one of their goals. They have this idea that they don't need to make any tough decisions that are going to alienate people, they're just going to tickle-fingers up or down and consensus their way to total unity. (Which is not too realistic, of course.) If they want to protest and say that things are unfair, that's fine . . . but their protest is fvcking noted, ok? Until you have more to say/do than that: GO HOME. And as far as drawing comparison to Iran goes, I really don't see how the two situations are analogous at all. In Iran, you have some real repression. The regime there is straight-up self-interested and worthy of being deposed. The people of Iran have every right to determine their own government and if they choose to change it I would be just as pleased as if they didn't. And some may say that the American government is not a whole lot better. And I would be willing to entertain the thought. But again, the OWS crowd here is not targeting the government for overthrow, or making demands at all. They have no idea what they're doing, they haven't told us what they want, and we have no idea how to give them what they want. Until that changes, they're not fighting oppression, they're just wasting oxygen and causing traffic problems.
That is a good point. OWS, while having lots of legitimate gripes, never really offered any proposals that I'm aware of to address them. But not having a plan is no justification for brutalizing someone.
Of course not. I was merely saying that if OWS were put in charge with their current level of organization, we would have chaos - true chaos - starting at the top, slowly working its way down. Eventually it hits the streets, and when it does, it would make these incidents look like a nice day in the park.
Its just on that last thread you started, you really disliked the whole "the people vs the government with small arms etc..." Hmmm... I'm agreeing with you here. Police brutality can't be tolerated. Not even a little bit.
I dislike the idea that people are going to somehow win a war with the government when the government has tanks. My argument however, did not address police forces.
Why haven't the forum's right wing anti-government people agreed with this post? The video shows government brutality and the right wingers fail to condemn it when they should call for armed stoppage of this brutality. The forum right wingers are such hypocrites!
Go back and read the Declaration of Independence to see how our founders - and most right wingers - see the issue. "Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed." If these protestors feel like they would rather up the ante and go into full-on rebellion over this, then by all means, give them AK's and let them do it. But this is kindof what I was saying before. Revolutions are messy - bloody - and lots of people get hurt/killed. Is that a price that these protestors are willing to pay? If so, then let's go. I'm sure there are more than a few of them itching for a real fight. The answer for most of these protestors, though, is probably not. OWS is not ALL idiots; there are a bunch of p*ssies too. They know that rolling with AK's would be inviting a quite large can of whoop-ass on themselves. And of course, most Americans would demand to see a real plan from OWS before casting their lots with them. Thank God.
Extreme situations require extreme acts. Sometimes cops are right sometimes theye are wrong. They are humans who make their job and make mistakes. The problem is when police abuse is not checked up and punished and that's what this video says nothing about. So it is very hard to form an opinion based on it.
