This Is Islam!

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  1. Ozymandias

    Ozymandias New Member

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    Yes, because I forgot how all Muslims do this. It's like condemning Christians as a whole for Neo-Nazism, the KKK, or the IRA.
     
  2. 4Horsemen

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    Not every incident. just every incident asked of you in this topic....lol...



    But you do agree that they are martyrs for Allah and WILL see Paradise with 77 virgins though, right?

    If this is not what you believe, then what do you think the fate of the radical Muslims is then?


    Actually it's been a thread of factuals that you have yet to refute. You do realize that ALL you've posted thus far is your opinons right?....LOL...not one fact. not even a validation from the Quran...lol..

    you lose this debate. care to try again?
     
  3. 4Horsemen

    4Horsemen Banned

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    scriptures please. come equipped or don't come at all.
     
  4. OJLeb

    OJLeb New Member

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    Which was what, 2 or 3? Yes, I tend to try and explain things rather than make assumptions and come off looking like an idiot. Bad habit, I know.


    Ya haraam.... First, it's 72 virgins - atleast get it right - and second, this is a myth. Nothing in Quran or Sunnah says you get 72 virgins for being a martyr.

    As for your second question, you tell me. They break three major sins in Islam. What awaits them?

    Lol


    Haha yes, I just posted opinions. Nothing comparable to the mountains of articles, references, quotes, and links you have been so kind to share with me.

    You know, because I'm only a Muslim. What would I know about Islam, its only my religion. Obviously I don't know what I'm talking about.



    Asalaam wa'alykum.
     
  5. Ozymandias

    Ozymandias New Member

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    So, either you haven't actually read your Scripture or you are simply being facetious. You have read your Bible and you have never found a verse dealing with any one of those things?

    Slavery - (for non-semites) - “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."

    Leviticus 25:44-46

    Rape - "If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you."

    Deuteronomy 22:23-24

    Infanticide - Egypt (Passover), Amalek.

    "Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the Lord sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the Lord. 2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

    1 Samuel 15:1-3

    Prostitution or Sexual Slavery -7 “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. 8 If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself,[a] he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. 9 If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. 11 If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money.

    Exodus 21:7-11

    Genocide - If I have to post verses about the Great Flood or the Invasion of Canaan, then you really haven't read the Bible.
     
  6. 4Horsemen

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    the Mahdi of the Quran IS the Anti-Christ who will make a Hudna with the Israelis for 42 months. halfway thru that time, the Mahdi will flip on the Israelis and begin to destroy them and attempt to set up His seat in Israel and the city of Jerusalem, killing all those who are witnesses to Christ. beheading a lot of Christians for thrie testimony. for a time until GOD has had enough and sends Yeshua back to earth to destroy the Mahdi aka the Anti-Christ.


    1 Thessolonians 5:3


    You are ALL now in the Know.
     
  7. Ozymandias

    Ozymandias New Member

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    How do you know anymore than Ronald Weinland or Pat Robertson?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events
     
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    I fail to see the Destructiveness of the Bible. Every verse and chapter you posted shows judgement that happened to those that FIRST did something against GOD's laws.

    but Way to take every last one of those scriptures out of context, genius.


    I was hoping you found a verse/chapter that says it's ok to pour acid on your wife or gouge her eyes out for wanting a divorce like the Quran does.. that kind of destructiveness. did you find anything like that?
     
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    gophangover Well-Known Member

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    Jesus said, "There will be many that come to me on the last day and say, didn't I cast out demons in your name, and didn't I prophecy in your name?" and Jesus will answer, "I know you not, you are workers of iniquity."

    You are a worker of iniquity.
     
  11. 4Horsemen

    4Horsemen Banned

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    Not a bad habit. just your kneejerk reaction to defend Islam at all costs no matter how wicked they are. I get that.

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    Then who is Houris? aka Horus? and why was this picture drawn depicting the Martyrs Paradise? with white virgins at that?..lol... is there some spook agency demonizing Islam behind yall's back?...lol...unlearned indeed. either that or seriously using Taqqiyah right now.

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    It's ironically funny you say that because most unlearned Muslims are none the wiser to the cult GOd they serve.

    peace be unto you..lol
     
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    the Islamic paradise of 72 Virgins....READ UP!!!

    In Islam, the concept of 72 virgins (houri) refers to an aspect of Jannah (Paradise). This concept is grounded in Qur'anic text which describe a sensual Paradise where believing men are rewarded by being wed[1] to virgins with "full grown", "swelling" or "pears-shaped" breasts.[2][3]

    Contemporary mainstream Islamic scholars, for example; Gibril Haddad, have commented on the erotic nature of the Qur'anic Paradise, by saying some men may need ghusl (ablution required after sexual discharge) just for hearing certain verses.[4]

    Orthodox Muslim theologians such as al-Ghazali (died 1111 CE) and al-Ash'ari (died 935 CE) have all discussed the sensual pleasures found in Paradise. It is quoted by Ibn Kathir, in his Qur'anic Commentary, the Tafsir ibn Kathir,[5] and they are graphically described by Qur'anic commentator and polymath, al-Suyuti (died 1505), who, echoing a hasan hadith[6] from Ibn Majah,[7] wrote that the perpetual virgins will all "have appetizing vaginas", and that the "penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal".[8]

    The sensual pleasures between believers and houri in Paradise are also confirmed by the two Sahih collections of hadith, namely Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, where we read that they will be virgins who "will not urinate, relieve nature, spit, or have any nasal secretions", and whose "sweat will smell like musk".[9] They are so beautiful, pure and transparent that "the marrow of the bones of their legs will be seen through the bones and the flesh",[10] and that "the believers will visit and enjoy them".[11]
     
  13. 4Horsemen

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    and you are a complete fool. good day
     
  14. gophangover

    gophangover Well-Known Member

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    and you are sooooo self righteous.
     
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    how so? by speaking the truth? so be it.

    Any man worth his salt should speak with zeal and forthrightness. not cowardice and fear like you..This is what Yeshua taught.
     
  16. Ozymandias

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    So... forcing your daughter into sexual slavery, forcing others into slavery, killing infants (yeah, sorry, but this isn't taken out of context. It doesn't matter what the hell the Amalekites did, you don't kill babies and children for something adults did), or killing a woman for being raped and not screaming for help aren't "destructive"? Wow, there you have it folks, 4Horsemen thinks that slavery is actually CONSTRUCTIVE. Killing babies and infants, as well as selling your daughters into sexual slavery, are also constructive and not destructive.
     
  17. Daggdag

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    Let's not forget the stuff about slaughtering entire cities for doing nothing. God ordered the Hewbrews to kill anyone they found in Caanan, and most of these attacks were completely unprovoked.
     
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    Did you read what you posted in the scriptures? Slaves were NOT to be dealt with ruthlessly, as have the Europeans, Assyrians, Babylonians, Portuguese, Spaniards, and Africans have done to the Isrealites. even still GOD told them not to be ruthless with THEIR slaves.
     
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    Read up. you are unlearned. those were Giants aka Nephillim in the land that GOD ordered the Israelites to do away with.

    If they had not killed them off, we would have Nephilliim walking around today literally EATING you and me. oh yes, they ate human flesh often. which is why GOd wanted them gone off the earth. they were hybrids of Fallen Angels(demons) and Womankind. Beasts if you will. God called them Evil Spirits.

    So be happy about that.
     
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    You do realize that the Nepelim were not alive during the Exodus right? The flood was created in order to kill them. So, the idea that god ordering the Hewbrews to kill them when they left Egypt makes you sound stupid.
     
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    You do realize that the Nepelim were not alive during the Exodus right? The flood was created in order to kill them. So, the idea that god ordering the Hewbrews to kill them when they left Egypt makes no sense. They were ordered to slaughter caananites because they were pagans and did not worship god. God was a tool like that, if you don't worship him, you die.
     
  22. Ozymandias

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    No, he did not. And once again, you are picking out one part of what I was talking about. Yes, yes, let's ignore the infanticide, children killing, sexual slavery, ridiculous rape laws that punish the victim, and the genocide...

    But anyways, despite the very apparent backpeddling. God told them not to be ruthless to their slaves?

    (Exodus 21:20-21) - When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.
     
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    Man, you certainly know your Bible. And, no, they weren't hybrids of fallen angles, they were hybrids of pure angels and women.
     
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    hahaha...you are unlearned....Nephillim were around since the days of Genesis!!!! READ!


    Gen 6:1-8
    Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, {2} that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. {3} And the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." {4} There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. {5} Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. {6} And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. {7} So the LORD said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them." {8} But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.



    *hint hint-- the Sons of GOD are the Nephillim.
     
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    Daggdod and 4Horse are both right.

    God killed off the sons of Anak in the flood, but they was around afterward, too, when they went to spy out the land.

    That's what them super-smart types call an "anachronism".

    They shouldn't be there in that time, but they are. Conclusion: it's a work of fiction.
     

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