We wish the Kurdish People Independence NOW!

We wish the Kurdish People Independence NOW!

“The Kurds are the largest ethnic group in the world without an independent state,” said Dr. Sherkoh Abbas, President of the Kurdistan National Assembly of Syria, an organization calling for the establishment of a federal region in the northern part of the country where Kurds would be given the right to self-determination.

The Kurdish population totals an estimated 30 to 50 million people in the Middle East alone. Following the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire after World War I, the Kurds were dispersed between Turkey (15-25 million), Syria (3-4 million Kurdish-speaking and 4-5 Arabic-speaking Kurds), Iran (7.9-12 million) and Iraq (more than 6 million).

 

did god forget to promise them some land?

 

Just Google 'KURD" "KURDISH" and you get your answer... Like most, your knowledge of History and Geography is not even passable... otherwise you would not have made the above statement.

 

Unfortunately what the Kurds want is the territory of like 3 separate countries. All of which have strong stable Governments(except Iraq) and have held onto that territory for over a century or more. I don't think that the Kurds are going to get Kurdistan anytime soon. At least not under any conditions they'd want the land anyway.

They are armed to the teeth and trained by US special advisors though over the last decade though so they are not some ragtag band of Afghani villagers. They are tough bastards. I wish em all the luck in the world. Their best bet is to tear Northern Iraq away from the Arabs in the south.

But that would probably do more harm than good to the Kurds.

 

one part of kurdistan is established but not yet declared, that is south kurdistan also known as KRG.

the 2nd part western Kurdistan in syria is now enjoying full self-rule as well.

two more parts to go.

once iran is attacked and an uprising erupts the eastern part in iran can be easily then liberated. that will leave 3 parts united and one still under turkish occupations, let us see then how turkey is going to handle three Kurdistan regions to its south while still occupying a big chunk of Kurdish region itself !!

a kurdish spring is needed in turkey, and so far pkk has liberated 10% of northern Kurdistan.

 

Okay so lets say you succeed. You now have the wonderful land of milk, honey and oil that is Greater Kurdistan. Now you are surrounded on all sides by enemies who won't trade with you, and probably will do their best to keep you from trading anywhere else either. Completely landlocked with no way in or out of the country except by air.

Good luck trying to build a country under that kind of siege situation. You'll be eating grass and fighting with rocks and sticks before long.

 

I don't see his/her posts, but it rather looks as if I am on the same side as HBendor here. How embarassing! But principle is principle: more power to all peoples struggling to be free! Free Kurdistan NOW! The territory they live in, by the way, is the territory of KURDS, just as the territory of 'Israel' belongs to the PALESTINIANS!

 

All the world recognizes Israel except LOLO... Listen LOLO we will not open an Embassy nor a consulate in LOLOLAND... Go out and play with your little toy gun.

 

lol - There's another of Benders bent facts . .

IT's FALSE , LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE ABT iSRAEL. aLL THE WORLD do NOT recognize Israel , and even Israel's friends , do NOT recognize , J'lem as Israel's capital , nore any legitimacy to OCCUPIED PALESTINE. Go play with little toy Baitsim :


tata.

 

I wish people to live whatever they want. how many of Turkish Citizen Kurdish want to live their Turkish citizenship and want to be part of this free Kurdistan?

The answer not more than %20... So first this problem has to be solved.

 

Money talks. The Kurds will be able to bribe their way out of any embargo. Saddam did. He used the UN's Oil For Food Program to bribe his way out of the effects of UN sanctions. America's UN Security Council veto power will prevent any effective sanctions from being imposed on the Kurds.

Iraqi Kurdistan is in place. Syrian Kurdistan is in place. The Kurds are patient. They will succeed.

 

two parts are liberated 2 more to go, once US israel attack iran and send it back to stone age, we will get that part in iran back in the end the part in turkey will be solved via UN similar to Sudan .

 

I dont know what İranian,İraqi and Syrian Kurds want but I hope in Turkey Turks and Kurds find a way to live together.

I mean something like Switzerland or Spain.There are some samples of multi-ethnical states...

I wish Turks and Kurds can live togerher in some kind of autonomy...

It's because a big Pan-Kurdistan will only cause a serial of wars which will take some decades and which all regional people including Turks,Kurds,Persians,Arabs will be harmed....

Anyways I'm not sure Whether Turks and Kurds are capable or willing to do that....

On the other hand a separation between Turks and Kurds is almost impossible.There is no natural borders between Turks and Kurds.....
We live in the same cities,in the same villages,in the same apartments....
There are more than one million marriages between Turks and Kurds....

 

LOL - Wishful thinking , Pie in the Sky - nonsense which Kurdish Gangsters are dupeing the masses with. Considering what the situation is in Iraq's autonomous Kurdistan . -

Kurdistan a Gangster state .

Dr. Kamal Said Qadir, also known as Kamal Berzenji, was kidnapped by the agents of the Kurdish Democratic Party’s intelligence unit, Parastin, on Oct. 26, 2005, and jailed. His “crime”: writing “insulting” articles about Kurdish Democratic Party high mucky-muck and Kurdish Regional Government (KRG) President Massoud Barzani. In short, he committed lese-majeste, i.e., Qadir wounded the dignity of the king. After a “trial” that lasted one hour, he was sentenced to 30 years in prison.

This is what the “liberation” of Iraq has accomplished.

Qadir was born in a small village south of Hawler in southern Kurdistan and immigrated to Austria in 1978, where he studied law at the Vienna Law School. A former university instructor in Sulemani and Hawler, he was forced to flee Kurdistan again – after the “liberation” by the Americans – because he demanded more human rights and democracy in southern Kurdistan. At the time of his kidnapping, he was engaged in research activities in the field of constitutional law at the Faculty of Law in Vienna. He returned in order to set up a human rights monitoring group and to pursue legal action against the Kurdish Democratic Party, promising to reveal the secrets of the Barzani crime family. En route to a meeting with KDP officials in Arbil, he was arrested by KDP intelligence agents. Dr. Qadir was, in other words, lured and entrapped.

Semi-official U.S. protests over his detainment are belied by the news that the Kurds are rounding up their internal political opponents – with the active assistance of U.S. military forces – and stashing them in secret jails. Qadir is now on a hunger strike, and his health is rapidly deteriorating.

The Kurdish authorities – who have launched an ethnic-cleansing campaign against Arabs and are now readying themselves to seize the oil-rich city of Kirkuk, in northern Iraq – were doubtless enraged when Radio Free Europe cited Qadir in this piece about Kurdish corruption:


“Kamal Berzenji wrote in an article published by kurdishmedia.com in December 2002: ‘The members of the [Kurdish] security services … try to make a business out of their powers by accusing and arresting anybody whom they think they could blackmail and extract money from.’

He says the practice has its roots in Hussein’s Ba’athist regime, but was also practiced during the Kurdish civil war in the 1990s. ‘One of the reasons [for that war is] business – and profit-making by some Kurdish warlords on both sides. Some of them grew [into] millionaires by confiscating and stealing the property of his fellow Kurdish brothers.’”


It’s as if reporters for the Washington Post, the New York Times, and other major media outlets were arrested for reporting on the buying of the Republican congressional caucus by Jack Abramoff & Co. They don’t dare do that in America – quite yet – but in Kurdistan, to speak out against the corruption of empire is illegal: that’s “democracy,” Iraq-style.


What’s more, Iraqi Kurdistan has been touted as an island of relative peace and prosperity, ripe for Western investment, and a source of all that “good news” that’s supposedly being suppressed by the mainstream media. A massive propaganda campaign – engineered by the GOP-connected public relations firm of Russo, Marsh, and Rogers (RM&R) – has been launched to portray Barzani-land as a model of Iraqi “democracy.” According to RM&R:



“‘Of all the different groups in Iraq that have a vision for the future, the vision of the Kurds is closest to ours. It’s important to recognize that the Kurds are not hostile to the West.’ In addition, ‘their vision, belief system, and values – they’ve had a democratic system in place for a while – parallel ours.’ No doubt, it’s ‘a very messy situation over there and the country is trying to figure out its future. The Kurds would like the rest of country to look at the Kurdish region and see it as a model for the rest of the country.’”

Yes, the Kurdish gangster state resembles ours in that our rulers and their cronies shamelessly use the state for their own profit: in both cases, the system is based on bribery and corruption, the only difference being that, in the U.S., we still have something we call the rule of law, although the Bush administration has done everything possible to undermine it. In America, it is still possible to collar at least some of these kleptocrats and bring them to justice. In Kurdistan, however, and throughout Iraq, there is no law – only party militias on the rampage, offing their opponents and wilding in the streets, even going so far as to kill American journalists who expose their crimes. We aren’t exporting democracy at gunpoint – we’re imposing the same sort of corruption that infects Washington, except that, over in Iraq, the kleptocrats are not only above the law, they also have the power to clap anyone who denounces them in jail. And it is the U.S. government that has empowered them. Qadir makes this point in his article entitled “The Winner and Loser in Iraq’s New Constitution.” He avers that the Iraqi constitution – written under the conditions of occupation and incipient civil war – and the civil order it created were necessarily deformed at birth and rendered illegitimate because

“The overthrow of the former Iraqi regime did not occur by Iraqi hands; and that the foreign forces, which had achieved the regime overthrow under the banner of ‘Liberation of Iraq’ from tyranny and oppression, became itself forces of occupation which does not differ in its behavior, practices, and actions to any other force of occupation in history. Thus, the democratic process which was subsequently forced upon [Iraq by] the forces [of] occupation, carries non-Iraqi fingerprints that increase the doubt amongst the Iraqis to the true impetus behind this process.”

Qadir’s critique of the Kurdish kleptocracy is particularly sharp on the question of Iraqi “federalism,” which he believes is being used as a cover for massive corruption. While acknowledging that the federalist impulse is an expression of the Kurdish desire for self-determination, Qadir points a finger at the Kurdish leadership, writing that they “are not without selfish conflicts and [their] own interests,” which are being pursued under the banner of “federalism.” “The Kurdish leadership,” he writes, “and in particular the leadership of the two main parties, have tired of the sweet taste of power alone” and are now enjoying the “economic privileges” conferred on them by the American victory:

“[Their] power and privileges cannot be maintained without a federalist Kurdish entity which cannot be scrutinized by the federal government of Baghdad. On the other hand, as a sovereign state, the Iraq state will guarantee the Kurdish leadership protestation [editor’s note: I think he means protection] from the interferences by the neighboring countries which will prohibit any move towards the establishment of a fully sovereign Kurdish state in the future. In addition, Iraqi Kurdistan has great wealth in natural resource, which the Kurdish leadership wishes to convert into its private and personal property. This cannot be achieved unless the current Kurdish Cartels ruled the Kurdish region itself and alone, as is the case at the moment.”

The gangster state of Kurdistan is Abramoff-ism in power. Criminal cartels run the state apparatus, doling out rewards and punishments in a system of bribery and kickbacks – and the occasional gangland-style murder. We are, in short, exporting our own system, albeit with none of the legal and constitutional constraints against the more brazen forms of gangsterism.

The effort to dress up the Kurdish tyranny is just one of the more cynical efforts by the War Party to prettify an abominable abortion as the birth of “democracy” in Iraq. It’s no coincidence that RM&R was instrumental in the founding of “Move America Forward,” the neocon front group running television ads proclaiming the “news” that WMD have been found in Iraq but the “mainstream media” is suppressing it. In the Bizarro World parallel universe of the War Party, up is down, the president’s own admission that the “intelligence” was wrong is discounted, and Kurdistan is a “democratic” utopia “parallel” to ours – where someone can get 30 years in prison for exposing official corruption.


http://us.altermedia.info/news-of-interest...state_1279.html

Gawd help the average Kurd IF they ever get an independent Kurdiland. It wont take them long before they one again betray + slaughter each other.


NUFF SAID.




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Well said , I happen to know of many very successful , Turkish citizens ,(ethnic Kurds) in construction industry - civil engineers ,architects etc., who are actively opposed to redrawing Turkey's borders and would want no part in sharing the BS peddled by the corrupt Kurdish Nationalist gangsters .
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To be honest Turkey has no a good past for Kurdish Issue and Kurds.Turkey made a lot of wrongs and mistakes.
Anyways What your saying is correct in Turkey there are so many Kurds who are very succesful and has good carreer,has god jobs.For example we have some Kurdish Ministers in current cabinet and so many Kurdish deputies....
anyways I dont know these kinda things is enough/sufficient to live together????

 

I've no idea how common it is , but I know of at least two Turk/Kurd intermarriages , both living in Istanbul. I've never heard of any mix - marriage restrictions in Turkey.

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no kurds do not want to be called "iraqi, iranian,syrian or turkish" they want to be called "kurdistanis" in a state on their ancestral lands, midnight we tried to live with turks for a long time now, does roboski ring a bell ??? you guys destroyed that , from now on every kurd will fight for a kurdish state.

marlow

when you grow up then expect a reply, until then herd along..

 

marlow grow up and cry me a river, western (syrian) Kurdistan is already freed and in self-rule

Peshmerga of western Kurdistan



Peshmerga of western Kurdistan returning home after getting trained in southern kurdistan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED_9RUBlr-g&playnext=1&list=PL5656650F78E50D35&feature=results_main








Western Kurdistan map



midnight

kurds dont want to live with turks no more, roboski massacre rings a bell dear !? its all over, kurds want a state and northern Kurdistan is going to join, kurds decide on this not marlow or his blood sucking alikes.

 

Turkish police use water cannons, tear gas on Kurds (0:47)

Turkish police use water cannons, tear gas on Kurds | Video | Reuters.com


its too late for turkey to talk about "living together" you had 90+ years and you failed at offering equal rights now we must go our separate ways, we have to talk about a border line.


this is the Kurdish region and we have to work on making it as much accurate as we can, thru dialoge and peaceful talks, like Sudan.



the elections pretty much also shows where the border line between a Kurdish and Turkish state will be.

 

FYI - I didnt expect any sort of rational /unemotive reply from yr side anyway. LOL

btw Our local Turkish supermarket is - (I later learnt ) its owner is said to be "Kurd" , but since he travels on a Turkish passport , for all intents + purpose , he describes himself a being Turkish.

I'm afraid AFAI can tell the vast majority of ethnic Kurds are not as Nationalistic as you + your kind would wish them to be.

Every Kurd I've come across (no different to most of mankind ) are more concerned interested in their daily tasks of making a living , than your divisive nationalism which would only lead to many more centuries of misery and bloodshed.





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Alan you're living in cloud cuckoo land , it wont work + ain't gonna happen. NEVER .

When you wake up from you're dream , you'll be confronted with your worse nightmare.

tata
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Alan untill such time when the Kurdish leadership cease exploiting / sucking the blood of ethnic Kurds , they wont attract the support /understanding /empathy from most other nations.



[video=youtube;t-Zuzulm7cA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Zuzulm7cA[/video]


Big Business, Black Markets, Bribery: Oil Smugglers in Kirkuk


Corruption in Iraqi Kurdistan started after the collapse of Saddam’s regime: PUK founder ‎ 1.4.2012
Interview


A;lans in all fairness I dont think you're in a position to appreciate /understand how the average Kurd is being exploited /used by their corrupt leaders .

"Adil Murad says I believe corruption, greater corruption, started after the collapse of Saddam’s regime. We have been working for the PUK for 35 years; it’s time for us to go home and allow others in. We cannot project a good picture of Kurds if this social injustice continues. I believe Gorran would not have split if reforms had been undertaken within the PUK and corruption had been tackled in our party.

April 1, 2012

SULAIMANIYAH, Kurdistan region 'Iraq', — In this interview with Rudaw.net, Adil Murad, one of the founders of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) – one of the ruling parties in the Kurdistan Region -- discusses the political situation of his party and its challenges. Murad, who currently serves as head of PUK’s central committee, says corruption is a major problem in Kurdistan and that the government is trying to find ways to tackle it.

Q: What is the main task of the party’s central committee?

Adil Murad: The central committee is composed of 101 members. The members are elected at the PUK convention. The committee is like a PUK parliament; it oversees all the other PUK branches and their works. It also oversees the performances of PUK members in government positions. Just few days ago, Kosrat Rasul Ali (vice president in waiting) came to us and brought a list of PUK members that are to assume posts in the new cabinet. We are supposed to give our opinion about them. We also do all the preparations for PUK conventions. Right now, a 10-member committee is working on preparing for the fourth PUK convention.

Q: Why are you preparing for the fourth convention now?



read and learn :


http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2012/4/state6050.htm


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The Kurdish Nation is being born.
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/08/25/the-rise-of-independent-kurdistan/

 

Yes of Course We have NO Restrictions on Mix-marriages.In Turkey we have so many mix-marriages.
There are about 15-20 Millions Kurds in Turkey and half of(maybe even more than half) live in Western Part of mixed with Turks and other ethnic groups.

Dear Alan
I just wanted to mention some geographies/lands where Kurds live.For Example I said Iranian Kurds(Not Persian Kurds)
Cos Iran is a geographical name
For Example I'm a Anatolian Turk....
I havent said Turkish-Kurd or something like that....
I dont know ıf there is any other way to call it.There are some Kurds who live in Syria(a geography name)

How should I call it? I call them Syrian Kurds....NOt Arabic-Kurds or something else...