Why do so many people want America to be a weak arse "Ghandi State"?

Peace at all costs. That is all I hear. Abandon every alliance we've ever made. Put our heads in the sand and pretend that we're safe.

The fact is that a higher power needs to stand between ancient enemies, be it Japan and China, Saudi Arabia and Iran, Pakistan and Inida, Israel and the Muslim world, the Koreas. Someone has to do it because a war between any of these parties would be absolutely devastating to the world economy.

The world is not full of innocent, peace loving nations and people. It is wicked and cruel and full of highly competitive nations vying for limited resources of the globe and they are willing to kill each other to get them and the only thing that prevents all of these parties from engaging in arms races and going to war with each other is the stability offered by a powerful hegemon acting as world cop.

Don't like it? Tough (*)(*)(*)(*). That is the reality of the situation. Without a world hegemon acting as world cop, there would be World War.

 

Yeah! Next those peaceniks will be talking about "love thy enemy" and "turn the other cheek" and all that other peace crap that hippie Jesus spouted. </sarcasm>

 

(*)(*)(*)(*) Jesus. I could care less what a dirty desert prophet preached 2000 years ago. The world isn't built on peace and platitudes. It is built on the bones and blood of the dead.

Somebody spits in my face or blacks my eye, I hit back hard. I expect my nation to do the same thing. Let the limp wristed fairies in Europe turn the other cheek.

 

In a world with nuclear weapons (which we DO possess), seeking war rather than peace is INSANITY.

 

Bullies and warmongers are big poop... until someone shoots them in their face.

Those seeking to live by the sword, die the same way as others do.

 

Easy to be a chicken hawk, when theres nothing on the the line, huh?

 

what a weird worldview you have..

so you are saying that if a man was going to assault someone it wouldn't matter to him if it was a hulking six foot man or a tiny old lady? of COURSE he's going to attack the weak not the strong.

peace thru strength.

a lot of people believe in 'peace' but there ARE the other kind...if you want to keep your freedom, you have to be willing (and ABLE) to defend it.

 

whereas the ones seeking to live by love and peace get rounded up and put into cattle cars to be shipped off to crematoriums. I would rather fight than go bleeting to my death or live as a slave to another. If people were not willing to fight Hitler, where would he have stopped? How many peaceniks strapped on the pink triangle and went lovingly to their deaths? You are saying that it would have been better to let Hitler continue or that if ONLY the rest of the world had treated him with love and tolerance he would have not been oh so aggressive and such?

 

of course...but then we HAVE had everything on the line and still stepped up. And will again. Every time there is a disaster, an invasion, who does the 'peaceful', 'loving', 'oh so modern' countries look to? why yes! AMERICA..."come help us" they squeal...and we do, cause we pity the cowardly and protect the weak (and because that's just how we are....we don't stand by and wait for someone else to step up)

 

someone unable to defend themselves:

[video=youtube;B3O4W25yCko]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3O4W25yCko[/video]

someone that could defend themselves:

[video=youtube;kvk3HyGVwrM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvk3HyGVwrM[/video]

 

its not about loving war. Its about accepting the true hobbesian reality of the world. in every major part of the world there are hatreds and rivalries that threaten to undo the entire global system of commerce.

A global system of commerce we led in the building of. You can't just build an entire economic system based on hegemonic stability and then abandon the role of hegemon without screwing up the entire enterprise.

 

So I assume you were for the Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya invasions? In fact, pretty much any invasion is a good one, right?

 

Right, which is why we attacked Vietnam and Iraq. Oh....wait...


btw, have you served? Are you currently serving in the military, because it'd be really funny if you never have, all while talking really tough about "hitting hard back."

How ironic. Let's save the world from wicked, cruel, competitive nations vying for limited resources by attacking other countries and taking their resources. Maybe we should bomb ourselves if we want to be a good world cop.

 

The irony here is that in Liby Gaddafi gave the people in Libya one of the highest living standards in the world in that region. Then Obama "saved" them from it on the pretense of stopping a civil war.

Meanwhile, people in Syria are dropping like flies and not a peep from him.

 

All of these political wars have been abject failures. Let's start with Korea. Here you have had a large US presence for over half a century, and they stand in the midst of a nuclear showdown with no end in sight. Why?

Vietnam? Nuff said. They are now one of the strongest military forces in the region.

Afghanistan was the creation of the former USSR. They were also a political war of sorts. Then when the USSR pulled out the country was left with a generation that only knew war and death, so they came after the US.

With Iraq the verdict is not out yet, but I've got a bad feeling about them already.

Yep, there is no doubt that these half arsed wars do nothing more than just turn around and bite you in the arse. If you want to win, then you disembowel them like former nazi Germany. Then after about a decade of occupation the insurgencies will stop.

 

Why the obsession with the Iraq/Afghanistan, as if that is the only trouble spot on the planet. There is the cold war between China and Japan, China and Taiwan, China and the Phillipenes, Vietnam, etc.

Then there is the Saudi Arabian/Iranian Cold War.

What about the Cold War between Venezuela and our ally Columbia?

Who is going to police these conflicts and keep them from reaching the tipping point into regional warfare that could damage the US economy?

Do people actually believe that there is no such thing as "American Interests" in these regions??

An arms race between Japan and China would be a disaster.

Our entire foreign policy is based on maintaining a balance of power in these regions. For instance we back up Japan because they have a military hobbled by Constitutional restrictions that cannot compete with China.

The rest of the SE Asian countries the same goes for them as well.

Who is going to prevent these little nation's ocean real estate from being gobbled up by an openly aggressive China?

Who is going to prevent that whack job Chavez from launching a war of aggression against Columbia? He already funds leftist guerrillas there.

Who is going to do these things if not the USA?

 

This just shows your ignorance. In the Bible the children of Israel were told to wage war against the Canaanites. Your theology is skewed, just as your disdain for turning the other cheek.

So lets look at people like Ghandi and Jesus, shall we? Jesus fought to spread the gospel to the entire world. Ghandi fought to free India from the rule of the UK. Both were successful beyond measure.

Conversely, the Palestinians throw or shoot anything they can find at Zionists and will even send their children to blow themselves up in the streets. Where is their success? I'll tell you where, it is 6 feet under.

 

I bring them up to prove a point. The best way to fight is not always throwing another punch, rather, the best way to fight is first using your brain. Then if throwing a punch is the best response do it.

 

I have no theology.

And all the British had to do was make sure Ghandi had an "accident" early on and there never would've been a Free India.

Judging by the way the world craps on the Jews of Israel and elsewhere on the planet, I'd say the Palis are making inroads.

 

Sure you have a theology. You have an interpretation of the Bible that is your alone. Just know it is lacking to say the least.

As for killing Ghandi, they killed Christ. Alot of good that did them. Again, you underestimate the power of their message and the type of warefare they engaged in. You can even see how the Christian faith was spread as they were being thrown to the lions. Christ once said that the violent take it by force. His was a message of violence, on a spiritual level. After all, he was willing to lay down his life for his message as was Ghandi. Make no mistake, both approaches were violent even though they did not shed blood except their own.

 

Kuwait?

 

http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/The_World_Without_Us/70104222?locale=en-US may make your point clear

 

To be honest, I find the OP a bit mixed up. First you object to the idea of "peace at all costs" and imply seeking peace is weak but you go on to state that war between various nations in conflict would be devastating (quite rightly) and that the US should continue to act as a world cop (e.g. peace officer).

Maybe you need to be more specific about the "all you hear" that you believe is in contradiction to the role of the US you feel should continue.

 

I sometimes have a hard time wrapping my head around just how cold hearted and inhumane some people can be.

 

Your nation isn't a cop, it's a mob boss. It crushes democracy and causes misery to millions around the world. Dissent is not accepted by the bullies of the international community.