Did FDR Cover Up Soviet War Crimes- Mass Murder in Poland?

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  1. DonGlock26

    DonGlock26 New Member Past Donor

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    We know that the NYT covered-up Soviet crimes against humanity back in the early decades of the Soviet Union. But, here is evidence that FDR knew about Soviet mass murder of captured Polish troops in Poland. The Soviets were originally German allies and invaded eastern Poland in 1939. They then massacred thousands of captured Polish troops. The Poles that escaped to the UK went on to fight heroically in WWII against the Germans. It appears that FDR betrayed them. Of course, the Soviets were allowed to enslave eastern Europe after WWII.
     
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    Interesting. Doesn't change my opinion of FDR one bit.
     
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    Nor mine. It only confirms it.
     
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    I already began a thread on this in 'world news'.
     
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    Both Britain and America further betrayed Poland in order to placate Stalin, after the war ended. Polish soldiers, airmen and naval personnel were not allowed to participate in VE Day celebrations and marches so as not to upset Stalin. They then put the icing on the cake by giving half of Poland away, as spoils of war, to their new Communist 'ally'.
     
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    Puhleeeeze. The Soviets were going to do whatever they liked wherever the Red Army's boot was planted on people's necks (see Hungary 1956 & Czechoslovakia 1968), and they did.
     
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    "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    And the west gave the Soviets carte blanche to do it.
     
  9. Bluesguy

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    Because without the Russians Hitler and Japan would not have been defeated which was the ultimate goal. Had Hitler defeated Russia and then was able to turn back west we would not have been able to defeat him in Europe and Japan would have taken control of eastern Asia and it's resources.
     
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    And it would have been better to let Hitler win?
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Baloney.

    The West couldn't do anything about it unless it was willing to start WWIII.
     
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    I often wonder why the Germans and the Japanese didn't win.

    They had all the advantages at the start of the war.

    But a series of bad decisions by Hitler and Imperial Japanese Navy high command let the Allies off the hook and opened the door for America and Britain to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

    Personally I think it was God's will and if so then we couldn't have lost the war even if we tried.
     
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    I doubt it was gods will. More like, the Japanese went full retard and attacked PH instead of coordinating a two sided blitzkrieg with Germany on Russia.
    The whole reason they were pissed at us was because of oil. Russia has lots of oil...
     
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    The only reason we were even allied with russia in the first place was because of the whole "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" philosophy.
     
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    That was one critical mistake.

    Byt the point is that the Axis powers had the ability to win the war and didn't.

    Their mistakes were colossal.

    Almost of biblical proportions, one could say.
     
  16. Bluesguy

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    We kept our men working in factories building the tanks, and artillery and guns to supply the Russians to fight and kill Germans while their men were getting killed doing it instead of us. Yes we knew eventually we would have to enter the war, but the strategy of supplying Russia, and the Brits, was the correct one. They killed a lot of Germans we didn't have to, they lost a lot of men we didn't have to and kept Japan at bay in east asia keeping thousands of soldiers who had to be supplied tied up there instead on the island we fought them on.
     
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    Do your homework, Japan did battle the USSR, and was heavily defeated. Hitler declared war on the US hoping Japan would again attack the USSR.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet–Japanese_border_conflicts
    As a result of the Japanese defeat at Khalkhin Gol, Japan and the Soviet Union signed on April 13, 1941 a Neutrality Pact, similar to the German–Soviet non-aggression pact

    Later in 1941, Japan would consider breaking the pact when the German Third Reich invaded the Soviet Union (Operation Barbarossa) at the start of the Great Patriotic War, but they made the crucial decision to keep it and to continue to press into Southeast Asia. This was said to be largely due to the Battle of Khalkhin Gol. The defeat there caused Japan not to join forces with Germany against the Soviet Union, even though Japan and Germany were part of the Tripartite Pact.
     
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    And the fact the russians sacrificed a biblical amount of men to stop the german advance. 5.4 million Germans died in the war. 25 million Soviets died in the war. They came in such numbers that the Germans literally didn't have enough bullets, bombs, and guns to stop them.

    Japans problem was that they spread themselves to thin on the mainland which left the islands we need to take to reach the big island open to assault. Iwo Jima would have been nigh untakable if the Japanese commander had had the number of troops he had originally requested. They never intended to conquer us, they just wanted to beat us in a major battle and force us to capitulate our influence in the Pacific and stop meddling in their affairs. The battle of Midway was supposed to be that battle for them, but we outsmarted them and they lost most of their carriers and large ships. From then on it was a losing battle.
     
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    This goes to prove IMO that if Hitler would have stayed in Germany and played by the rules he could have killed all the Jews he wanted and no one would have said boo to him. Genocide happens all over the world and getting intervention is like puling teeth.
    Let someone invade an oil rich country or otherwise disrupt trade and that's when the feathers get ruffled.
     
  20. Yosh Shmenge

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    For once I must agree with you. The west simply capitulated with regards to Poland.
     
  21. Defengar

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    IT still would have been smart for them to go after the USSR again. With nearly the entire Soviet army focused on the eastern front, their back door was WIDE open.
     
  22. Defengar

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    Pretty much.

    I kind of want to side with patton in a way. He wanted to give the germans back their weapons and roll right into Moscow and crush the Communists once and for all. If it had been successful Russia would have become a democracy, and we wouldn't have had to listen to that Domino theory BS that got us into two massive wars and ended with the deaths of millions.
     

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