Christianity is a lie, since Adam wouldn't need/have a bellly button.

So you're still struggling with the definition of the word "theory," I see. How can a stickler for semantics such as yourself have such a hard time with this?

 

Firstly, I don't know what the rubbish that The Bible says, but according to the Eternal Book of Books (Old Testament), Adam was made by the God, and Eva was made by the rib of Adam. Secondly, no one said that The Bible is truthful, because it's literally not; it's an imitation of the Old Testament. Read more books acquaintance, not only Christianity exists.

 

Not really. You demonstrated enough.

 

"Evolution is only a theory"

Love that one. First, sticklers should know that evolution is a process, not a theory.

And, those with even an elementary level of knowledge about science understand
why saying the theory of evoluiton is "Just" a theory makes a person sound so ridiculous.

But like I said, he'd demonstrated enough already.

If not, tho, perhaps he will ask next for proof of a theory!

 

Scientific illiteracy is the issue, just as regular illiteracy was an issue in the past. Science is growing in importance in the modern world, which means we need our school requirements to catch up. Science is simply not being pressed hard enough in curricula today.

 

Too true.

Theories are the pinnacle of scientific thought. They are a unifying paradigm that brings together diverse observations and offers rational explanations to tie them together. Saying something is "just" a theory is like saying the President of the USA is "just some politician".

 

Its far worse than that, what is taught tends to be poorly presented and full of errors.

And, we have this wide deep counter current from the fundies, with their regressive, anti intellectualism. Its a horrifying cultural weakness, one that will ill serve us in an increasingly competitive world.

Im looking out at an early morning /another sleepless night skyline in Hong Kong.
Its an incredible city.

"Westerners", especially the uneducated ones typified by our fundies have apparently zero idea of just how many tough smart unsentimental people there are over here.

Stupid backward uneducated people(s) are just going to be swept away. There wont be any angel with a flaming sword guarding the trailer park.

I want to grab America by the shoulders and shake!!! Wake up!!!!!

 

What took them so long to develop into a more or less modern economy? China has been around forever, yet it took American and European leadership to get this far. What have those tough, smart, unsentimental people been doing over there for so long?

 

My ancestors were writing poetry while the Europeans were still poking at cave bears with sharp sticks. Why is that?

Why history has gone as it has is a very complex question.

Why were Arabs doing so well at one time, and now they are so backward?
Same with Egypt...

Many issues involved.

We wonder why people went for many tens of thousands of years in the paleolithic
when they were just as smart as people today.

Not long ago the Europeans were burning witches. Some would still have it so.

But never mind the past for a moment. Look at how things are now.

India, and China both. Americans are outnumbered, really bad.

Does that concern you?

 

No, I'm not enough of an American to get concerned over which nation leads the way. I'd rather see nations go the way of the Dodo anyway.

I'm just wondering how realistic an expectation it is for China to take over from Europe and the US as world leaders. Europe especially tends not to be tied down by idiotic religion, Muslim immigrants excepted

Of course, I don't really want to try and tackle Mandarin. If I have one concern, it's there - Russian is challenging enough! I'd like to see them rise to prominence instead I suppose Mandarin wouldn't be bad if it weren't for the writing system, though. Get rid of that ridiculous syllabary and maybe we can do business..

 

I cant read the future any more than you can of course. I dont do mandarin either, just Cantonese.

As for "dodo" some us wonder at the apparent inclination of the west to commit suicide.

 

Suicide how? Our poor education and religious fanticism, you mean? I'm thinking these dodos just don't think about it. They assume that we're #1 in every way and that this will never change. They don't let pesky facts and details concern them, just like with their religion.

 

Not a problem with me, but seemingly you are wanting to disregard the entirety of the definitions for the word "theory". Look more closely...

"the·o·ry (th-r, thîr)
n. pl. the·o·ries
1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
2. The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice: a fine musician who had never studied theory.
3. A set of theorems that constitute a systematic view of a branch of mathematics.
4. Abstract reasoning; speculation: a decision based on experience rather than theory.
5. A belief or principle that guides action or assists comprehension or judgment: staked out the house on the theory that criminals usually return to the scene of the crime.
6. An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture."

Having a degree in computer electronics allows me the privilege of knowing 'theory' quite well, so well in fact that I am capable of recognizing something that is a theory from something that is not theory. It is the notion of theory that led me into the study of semantics. So you really should refrain from attempting to ridicule people when you truly know so little about them.

 

I already left religion when I became a Christian. (but there are some around who still classify Christianity as a 'religion', but that can't be proven). When are you going to leave religion? You are obviously involved in some sort of a religion, else your involvement on a religious forum has questionable intent.

 

You're also clearly capable of highlighting the wrong definitions in your pasted list Try number 1.

 

No need to highlight that one, as that one is one which I am required to use when working with various theories in the field of electronics... surely you might be using that same one in some endeavor of yours. My reason for highlighting the ones which were highlighted was to show that theory can and does include such things as speculation, beliefs or principles, and the making of assumptions which are based on limited information or knowledge, and to make conjectures.

Note also in definition #1 (your preferred choice), the use of the clause "devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena," and "to make predictions about natural phenomena." Hence, theory is obligated to stay within the arena of 'natural phenomena' which precludes theory from entering the areas recognized as 'supernatural'. At the same time, it is noted that theory is devised. Wow! What a statement.
"de·vise (d-vz)
tr.v. de·vised, de·vis·ing, de·vis·es
1. To form, plan, or arrange in the mind; design or contrive: devised a new system for handling mail orders.
2. Law To transmit or give (real property) by will.
3. Archaic To suppose; imagine."

From the archaic to the present usage, it is seen that when something is devised, it is merely a mental construct. . . an imagination.... nothing too 'real' about imaginations now is there?

Did I miss anything that you would like for me to expound upon?

 

We have someone clever enough to use the equivocation fallacy, but not good enough
to fool anyone but himself with it.

Here is another word to play with, if one wishes to play equivocation:

frog (frôg, frg)
n.
1. Any of numerous tailless, aquatic, semiaquatic, or terrestrial amphibians of the order Anura and especially of the family Ranidae, characteristically having a smooth moist skin, webbed feet, and long hind legs adapted for leaping.
2. A wedge-shaped, horny prominence in the sole of a horse's hoof.
3. A loop fastened to a belt to hold a tool or weapon.
4. An ornamental looped braid or cord with a button or knot for fastening the front of a garment.
5. A device on intersecting railroad tracks that permits wheels to cross the junction.
6. A spiked or perforated device used to support stems in a flower arrangement.
7. The nut of a violin bow.
8. Informal Hoarseness or phlegm in the throat.
9. Offensive Slang Used as a disparaging term for a French person.

 

And here is another one that clearly describes your introduction of the FROG.

"2. strawman - a weak or sham argument set up to be easily refuted
straw man
specious argument - an argument that appears good at first view but is really fallacious"

and yet another one for you:

"ir·rel·e·vant (-rl-vnt)
adj.
Unrelated to the matter being considered."

 

What if Adam was chosen from among the human population -- the dust of the Earth at that time?

 

Technically, it means he also has boobs and a vagina.

 

Maybe Adam and Eve got their belly buttons when they got their skins.

Genesis 3:21 (NKJV) = Also for Adam and his wife the Lord God made tunics of skin, and clothed them.

 

Just another speculation.... it seems that no-one really knows the answer to that problem.... Hmmm. What happened to the ability of science to understand such biological phenomena (the phenomena being the absurdity found in the OP).

 

Hmmm - let me think about: Eve was the most beautiful woman ever existed - so she had a belly button - it was the most beautiful belly button the world ever had seen. Where's a problem?

http://youtu.be/lgscfzH1Pe0

 

its a perfectly nice fantasy, no prob i can see

 

Eva die Urschöne,
Ihr Nabel der Urnabel,
Aus einer Rippe geformt,
Die von dem Urmann gekommt.

You do have to wonder why the myth has her made from the first man's rib. What significance did the ribs hold for this legend's creators?