Remember - The STATES can pass a law that would deny the vote to those on welfare

Yes, I agree. The founders were, in terms of the rights of democracy, dead wrong on a number of issues. Saying "this is what the founders wanted" and referring to equal voting rights for all is stupid, because that was not their position, and more importantly, their position was dead wrong. If you want to tell me that only women and landowners should be allowed to vote, and that this somehow makes a democracy better, you are wrong. Similarly, if you think that because a person has lost his job, they should be denied the right to vote, you are (*)(*)(*)(*)ing wrong.

Let's be clear about this.

Speeders isn't making any conditions. He's not saying "people who have been on welfare for more than a year in a non-depressed economy". He's not even saying "those who have been on welfare for extended periods of time". Anyone on welfare is a moocher. It doesn't matter what they've done in their lives, what extraneous situations apply, or anything else; the question is simply this: "Do you make enough to pay income taxes? No? (*)(*)(*)(*) OFF, YOU DIRTY MOOCHER!" Never mind that most of those who don't make enough to pay income taxes are the retired, and most of the rest actually hold down at least one job and pay payroll taxes. The number of people who don't pay income taxes because they are truly mooching off the system is, at most, 1%, and even then we haven't even begun to filter for things like recent layoffs, how long they've been on welfare, how many people are out vying for the same jobs that the person in question is qualified for, et cetera. Like, we have had sustained unemployment of over 8% for the last few years. You want to tell me that all those people want to be living from shrinking savings and the tiny, tiiiiiny benefits that welfare provides?

If it does not occur to you why this idea that everyone who doesn't pay income taxes is a "moocher" or a "leech" then you are phenomenally callous and/or idiotic. There's no other way of putting it.

 

HAHAHA. What an incredibly stupid thing to say. People under 18 can't vote but they are still counted in determining the electoral votes of a state!

 

My view is even EASIER.


EVERYONE gets to vote. Period. Problem solved.


OH! Im sorry. You mean you only want the RIGHT kind of people that YOU like voting. Sorry. My bad.

 

Ya. To white landed males. And THAT was really fair wasnt it?

 

So you want 5 year old kids voting.?? Get help please.

 

My I must have hit a nerve. For your information I never said you did not serve (I said I doubted that you and many other self proclaimed Patriots had) and you did not claim to have up to that point, so don't get your panties in a wad. Now, back to your UnAmerican suggestion that those that have paid their due should lose their vote, Not Gonna Happen, clear enough for you?

 

Anything can happen when enough men of good will set their minds to it. I'm not the first to suggest that there will soon be a significant push to deprive voting rights from those who suckle from the system but don't pay into it. Our laws and government would certainly stop catering to the leeches and parasites of our society. It is going to happen because there are plenty of people who agree with me.

 

Thanks for clearing up that you believe that those that have paid into the system their entire lives are now considered to be leeches and parasites, and you wonder why people consider your idea less than American. FYI there is no, nor will there be, a push to carry out your wishes, I am sure you can find some far right politician suggest it, they do love to pander to the crazies, and they will be put in their place at the back of the bus where they belong by the rational heads in government.

 

You bank on the fact that entitlements, once installed, are difficult to roll back. But it did happen in 1996 with welfare reform. When this country gets sick of people who have no investment in this country getting to call the shots, change will occur. One of life's greatest amusements for me is when "never will happen" people get proven wrong.

 

Screw that men that are citizens and own land vote! We all know the women will tell them how to vote as well.

 

I never said welfare cannot or should not be reformed or that changes cannot be made to the programs people paid into, do not assume so much and you will not look like you are grasping at straws. The topic is voting, not reforms to welfare or entitlement programs, and guess what your idea will never float, Americans (Conservative and Liberal alike) would put a stop to any government attempt to deny the vote to law abiding Americans.

 

There are no law-abiding americans. We all break laws every day. Can you think at all?

 

Actually, I hear a lot of grief from liberals and conservatives alike about the culture of dependency that continues to wax in this country. Many liberals I know don't want it to be assumed that they support tax payer funds for irresponsible behavior and that safety net programs should only help the very needy. If we start treating these leeches as 2nd class citizens, which is what they deserve, then maybe that will be the impetus to get their life back on track so they can enjoy the full benefits of citizenship. Oh, and BTW, you're wrong. If we can deny the vote to felons, we can start denying it to other classes of Americans as well. Only in your own mind does your opinion have the imprimatur of the American people.

 

Yup - we don't have universal suffrage and we've never had it. But the idiot liberals think it's in the constitution!!!

 

Didn't you just start a thread suggesting that we should run all blacks out of this country? Do me a favor and stay off my (*)(*)(*)(*)ing side!

 

Hehe, look at him appeasing to libs, not realizing they still passionately hate him just the same.

What a tool.

 

Calm down before you burst something.

 

As I said I am all for reforms.

Your thought that we can or should deny the vote to those that are considered by some as non-assets would only lead to revolution, or don't you know that.

Oh, cudos to you on your comment to Speeders, good to know you are not among the resident racists here.

 

Republicans must hate democracy. They keep showing it in so many ways.

 

Well the first Republican was a tyrant, through and through, what the hell do you expect?

 

That is not how Libs work, they do not hate you simply for being a conservative, unlike how so many conservatives view Libs. I have no problem disagreeing with a conservative on one issue and then agreeing with them on another issue, because only a fool sees the world in terms of black and white since life simply is not that simple.

 

Actually people tend to view the world from a more liberal or conservative lense. This view changes with age, leaning more towards conservative with wisdom and experience.

 

But we already do it. In many states felons are not allowed to vote. Been like that for years and no revolution. THINK

 

Then stay off my threads. Conservatives don't need "supporters" who won't fight. Go back to your hero, the super-wimp romney.

 

Are people who get naked with their children conservative, in your opinion?