Growing Muslim demographics in Russia - Shrinking Russian Native population.

Here is a video of Muslims in Moscow Russia-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1Kqh8cTi34

 

Here is an article updating the shrinking native Russian population.

http://geography.about.com/od/obtainpopulationdata/a/russiapop.htm

You can see this information from other sources.

 

The revival of ther worst sort of capitalism gives Russians little to live for other than vodka, and it is no country into which to bring children. That's why their criminals are buying up London: they can afford to get out.

 

Muslims want sharia law in Russia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z6bOc6VpyA

 

you mean the same people that run the banks ?

 

what a rats [video=youtube;xYXiNbgMHco]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYXiNbgMHco[/video] Moscows policemen are pus¤is

 

Probably. They keep everything quiet!

 

The bigotry in this thread I swear...Their population declining is really their own fault. Muslims don't drink...maybe Russians should drink less.

 

It’s an acute problem. The Russian current domestic and migration policy suck. In my view Russia have a good chance to become a big Clichy-sous-Bois if you will let take its course. Also drug and alcohol are killing a lot of ppl. And we must toughen our position on this issue as well.

 

absolutely. this scum is like the british colonial officials in india. those comradors have a business in russia but they keep their actives and families in the western countries.

“if 500 billion dollars that belong to the russian elite is stored in american banks, then, please, make it clear first whose elite that is: yours or ours” (c)

 

Russian Muslims dont drink? you are funny man...

 

What is sarcasm for 1000?

 

Well Muslims have sharia law that will affect American big business and American big business will look like Bigots in the eyes of muslims. You cannot own property in a muslim country only if you convert to Allah.

 

Guys, the news about our extinction is a little bit exaggerated. I would rather send You to any survey or official statistics. For a start even a Wiki will do.
Muslim population (including ethnic russians) is about 6%. This year. And the poll that tells it has a 3% margin of error. So if You read somwhere that this population is 3-9% it won't mean much. At the moment the margin of error is a bigger threat for any misleading conclusions rather than replacement of native population.

But some groups of people really consider it to be a threat. They also think that immigrants from Africa to Russia (they look quite funny when it really is a frost) will also replace us in future. At least if it is a problem (which I don't see) than it will happen in the US much earlier.

 

Wiki says that Muslim population is about 10% - 14.5 mil ppl in RF. Some experts believe that Muslim population is about 20 mil ppl.
The real threat is side effect of growing Muslim demographics in Russia. – The separatism, illegal immigration, ethnic conflicts like Sagra or Kondopoga, number of crimes committed by so-called ethnic criminal groups ( no doubt crime has no nationality and religion – but unfortunately the crime statistics disproves that). Also some muslims tend to respect extremist forms of Islam – welcome to the sunny North Caucasus. Though some funny Russian ppl think that the North Caucasus could become a big and modern tourism cluster other funny guys has already sent good sum for this project.
Some other regions especially EU have the same probs with growing Muslim demographics. Some experts suppose that fifth of Europeans will be Muslim by 2050. The question is how this demographic time bomb will transform old Europe

 

There was a French writer who had a fairly popular bestseller in the early 80's saying that the increasing Muslim and non Russian populations would result in the dissolution of the USSR.

 

Strange, because the Wikipedia that I have tells differently: A survey by ВЦИОМ in 2010 (with a 3.4% margin of error) found that 73% of the Russian population is Orthodox and 6% is Muslim. 1% believed in other faiths and the remainder were non-religious, or self-identified atheists or agnostics (self identified religious people and non-religious people can be atheists or agnostics). Maybe You have different Wikipedia. There is however a manipulation with the figures. Some of the analysts are evaluating the number of the believers on the data provided by the quantities of man serviced at churches and mosques. and even furthermore they first ask the question which religion this or that person belongs to. The answer is Russian orthodox in more than 70% cases. And then the people are asked different questions (if they read Bible, if they are baptised, if they are fasting and so and so on) and if the person doesn't answer the question correctly he is... excluded from the number of orthodox christians. I myself can sometimes not be included in the total percentage, because I don't attend services as often. Anyway it doesn't make me a muslim or an atheist.
Even if the percentage of muslims is 20% (which is not true, because the figures that show it are the basis for a report inside the religion organization and their report to the state in order to get mor money for the mosques). It cannot actually explain the headline of "shrinking russian native" and "replacement of native population with muslims".

As for a ressort. Russian tourists are greatly influencing the market of ressorts in Turkey and Egypt. Russian tourists are taking a lot of money from the country for a possibility to access to the climate which can be easily found in the territory of their own state. Doesn't it sound sane to compete with an abroad market? To me it does. Besides people in North Caucases, especially muslim population has strong traditions of hospitability. If You come to their house as a friend You cannot even imagine what a meeting You would have! So it is really a great stupidity that Caucases is not popular as a tourist zone. As for the problems with terrorists - it's true. A lot of groups are traditionally active in taking young people to the forests, giving them Kalashnikovs and making them killing 'gyaurs'. And once this guy is inevitably killed his wife and kids are used as living bombs in Russian cities. But this doesn't happen as aften and as strong as it does in North Africa or middle east countries. Some of these countries are quite unstable politically and still are the ressorts for a lot of the foreign people. Besides Russia has an investment cash of its own to make hotels and infrastructure. If we are lucky enough to set this project into motion it will ease a lot of problems. At the moment they don't have as many job possibilities there as they need. That's why there is an ongoing problem of crimes and migration. Once at newplaces muslim migrants keep together and try to make their living which often leads as purger factor of criminal groups.
Muslim people themselves are very good neighbours. They are friendly and hardworking. Russians lived with these people for centuries. So there is nothing to worry about that much. Of course if You want to believe that the world is near its end noone will be able to reconvince You. But there is no point in spreading rumors and gossips. The problems start when politicians need them to start. And the fact that at the moment muslim is the choice of those who try to divide and rule - is just a coincidence.

 

I used the Russian version : ) >
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C8%F1%EB%E0%EC_%E2_%D0%EE%F1%F1%E8%E8

Frankly speaking I take a skeptical view of this kind of survey too.

Absolutely but there are some negative trends closely associated with growing Muslim demographics in Russia in my view it is a very acute problem>

The separatism, illegal immigration, ethnic conflicts like Sagra or Kondopoga, number of crimes committed by so-called ethnic criminal groups ( no doubt crime has no nationality and religion – but unfortunately the crime statistics disproves that). Also some muslims tend to respect extremist forms of Islam

 

Do You mind if I ask You? You think that it is a good, necessary and rational project. Tell me pls how many Russians will be visiting these Caucasians resorts? Btw there is Grozny city. It’s really a good and modern town. Would You like to visit this brilliant of the North Caucasus. Just spend your vacations there and enjoy Grozny’s great destination spots. Or may be You still prefer the resorts of the North Africa & middle east?

That’s right. I know. Unfortunately some local resident have alternative viewpoint on the hospitality. >

Russia has imposed a counter-terrorism regime in two areas of the North Caucasus Republic of Kabardino-Balkaria after an attack on tourists that killed three and injured two people and bomb attempts in the republic, the republican operational headquarters said on Sunday.
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20110220/162687415.html

Well I hope that these guys could become good animators, waiters and quides.

Hmm…….. It’s really interesting which regions do You mean? Volga Region? Or the North Caucasus?
The Caucasian War of 1817–1864, also known as the Russian conquest of the Caucasus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War#Prisoners_and_missing_persons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War
Also I’m afraid that Ermolov and Umarov don’t agree with You >

Downstream of the Terek the Chechens live, the most evil of the bandits,
attacking the line. Their society is very poorly populated, but has extremely
multiplied in the last few years, since they adopted friendly villains from all other
nations, leaving their land open for all types of crime. Here, they found allies,
ready to take revenge for them, or participate in the robbery … Chechnia can
fairly be called a den of thieves…©
[video=youtube;xipw9gSvKB4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xipw9gSvKB4[/video]
^terrorist Doku Umarov want to create a global 9/11 in Russia

 

Is there any connection between the two phenomena? - Growing Muslim demographics in Russia & the world is near its end.
And which rumors and gossips do you mean ?

Absolutely.

 

There are basically 2 kinds of "Muslims":

1. Talmudic Islam: Submission to Talmudic doctrines;
2. And Christian Islam: Submission to the doctrines and Word of "nature's God" and Muhammed's God, Jesus Christ, Al Yashua.
Muhammed's message to the King of Abbysinia

 

Well. It seems that You regard Corth Caucases as a sort of a Mordor where Sauron-like Doku Umarov watches small tourists hobbits that are coming into his hands. Of course not. Sagra and Kondopoga are only the signs that once the native population rises against organised criminals - the last don't have a chance. I mean this attitude as rumors. Of course some bandits are still hiding in the forests and they can even post a video on the Youtube promising something very scaring, but they no longer has the power that they did have in 90s. Not even close. Grozny is really a wonderful city and I wouldn't mind to go there once it is a ressort. As for a chance to get killed - we all have it. AtM there is no sense going there not only because it is unsafe, bit also because we don't have an infrastructure. For me it is easier to go to a tourist agency and to buy an all-inclusive trip to the good hotel in Egypt with referencies from half of the Russian Internet. It's just easier but... The road to Sochi is already available. Once it starts over there and if it is really worth it (atm Sochi is just more expensive at a debatable quality of the service) - then it will crawl further and further.
Risks? Heh, the risks are everywhere. We risk that liberal hipsters would buy weapons and start to terror Moscow and big cities the way that Chechens did not so long ago. Or muslims, or communists, or gays. or orthodox fanatics. Everything can happen and it is not particularly the fault of Islam. Why don't we spread the gossips about cinema-goers? Some of them really killed people and terrorized society pretty successful. Let's look at vry cinema-goer as if they are potential killers. Then eventually some of them with the most unstable mentality would eventually kill. Just the same happens with muslims. People are afraid of them but in fact they are good people. Those people that try to terrorise Russia or the USA are not at all muslims.

 

I just think that the North Caucasus is a criminal region, You don’t agree with it?

Btw those tourists ‘re killed in Kabardino-Balkaria and the main problem that there are a lot of various Umarovs in the North Caucasus . Now Umarovs from Dagestan and Ingushetia are more active than their Chechen colleagues.


And I suppose that it is another corrupt, populist, ridiculous project – the tourism cluster in the zone of counter -terrorist operations. In my view it would be better if we will develop the tourist infrastructure in the Central and North Russia. There are a lot of depressive regions as well.

Crime has no nationality and there are a lot of criminals of titular ethnic group in Russia as well - remember those scambags from Kuschevskaya . But unfortunately there was a rise against just so-called ethnic criminal group in Sagra and Kondopoga (and in many other places).

A really disputable issue.

 

Very informative. You have any information that hipsters, gays, commies made the terrorist acts like Nord-Ost or Beslan?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_hostage_crisis
How do You think who were those terrorists? Hipsters? Commies? Gays? Orthodox fanatics? Or maybe there're terrorist groups of sado-masochists-extremists who fight with infidels all over the world including the North Caucasus.
And what do You think about wahhabism and wahhabis who working in the North Caucasus? They shown their worth there too.

p.s. Here is an information about the international friendship in the North Caucasus.
The demographic features of the population of Chechnya accordind to Soviet (in 1989) and Russian (in 2002) population censuses.

Population: 1, 270, 429 (1989)
Chechens — 734, 501
Russians 293, 771

Population: 1, 103, 686 (2002)
Chechens 1 031, 647 (93,5 % )
Russians 40, 645 (3,7 %)

How do You what’s happened with these Russians between 1989 and 2002 there?