Israeli elections

Discussion in 'Middle East' started by moon, Jan 18, 2013.

  1. Jack Napier

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    Incidentally, the man whose pic you see in the Journal link is an odious creature that goes by the name of 'Rabbi'

    Ovadia Yosef, born Abdullah Yosef is the former Sephardi Chief Rabbi of Israel.

    He currently serves as the spiritual leader of the Shas political party in the Israeli parliament. His halakhic responsa are highly regarded within Orthodox circles and are considered binding in many Mizrahi communities, among whom he is regarded as "the most important living halachic authority.

    Listen up, non Jewish lands, and people, as this next bit is aimed right at YOU.

    Remarks regarding gentiles

    In an October 2010 sermon, Yosef stated that "The sole purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews". He said that Gentiles served a divine purpose: "Why are Gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why Gentiles were created."

    In the same article on the Jerusalem Post, according to the journalist who interviewed him, Yosef compared Gentiles to donkeys whose life has the sole purpose to serve the master: “In Israel, death has no dominion over them... With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant... That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew."

    Gentiles were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel.

    Nice huh? So, all all you stupid fools who behave like sheep are really donkeys.

    Now, I realise your soul has been reduced to a flicker, but please, try to remember what dignity was, huh?

    Think about it this way.

    Whatever country you are in, imagine if, sitting in your Parliment, and in an interview with a high circulation newspaper, a Parlimentarian was to say...

    The sole purpose of Jews is to serve non Jews.

    "Why are Jews needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why Jews were created."

    Jews were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the Gentile.

    Thoughts as to how you think that would play out, anyone, any takers?

    And he really meant that one at gentile non Arabs (Christian Americans and Europeans).

    He reserved this pearl of charm for Arabs;

    Remarks regarding Arabs and Palestinians

    In 2001 Yosef was quoted as calling for the annihilation of Arabs, instructing his followers that "It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and (*)(*)(*)(*)able."

    And not content with that, this walking mental basketcase goes on..


    Yosef drew criticism from the US State Department in August 2010 following a Saturday morning sermon in which he called for "all the nasty people who hate Israel, like Abu Mazen (Abbas), vanish from our world... May God strike them down with the plague along with all the nasty Palestinians who persecute Israel."

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    Just be honest. If even a Congressmen or Parlimentarian even makes moderate criticism of ANYTHING they do, they will be hated and even lost their jobs.

    If they said that, Jeez, you tell me, what would happen? He may even go to prison.

    In Israel?

    In 2005, he was voted the 23rd-greatest Israeli of all time, in a poll by the Israeli news website Ynet to determine whom the general public considered the 200 Greatest Israelis

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovadia_Yosef
     
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    so you say judarna are not killing Palestinian people in occupied territory?



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    everybody knows what is judarna by the Talmud




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    and that has to be what Israel is going to be facing

    http://972mag.com/bibi-can-relax-the-center-left-is-really-with-the-right/64093/

    This end of this is what Israel is going to have to deal with

    http://www.alhaq.org/publications/Feasting-on-the-occupation.pdf

    and I cannot see how it will not happen. Even Obama knows it will.
     
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    Abullah Yosef ? What - is he another Iraqi Arab Jew ?


    Jews think nothing abt changing their names in the real world in order to conceal their true identities often to deceive . (hmmm) .

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovadia_Yosef

    OMG - That's a really good find - I've read abt this Jewish scumbag Josef Ovadia + his spoutings , for a long time and would never have guessed it.

    (wink)
     
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    The main point though is that when he said those things, they are not exactly easy to get the message wrong, are they?

    I mean, unless there is some magical way that makes what he said sound good and complimentary to anyone, by some reason that needs neuro surgery, in the real and sane world, what he is saying would NOT be tolerated, were it said by a member of Congress, or of Parliment.

    Can you imagine? Imagine ANYONE in the mainstream + non Jewish world, standing up and saying something like 'Jews dead in WW2? Well, that is what they were created for - to die en masse'. Or how about 'Jews are dogs, whose only use is to be tethered, and used to bark lest an intruder come'?

    There is NO difference. Jeez, you cannot even get Chuch Hagel saying, TEN YEARS ago 'the jewish lobby', without their usual hysteria and neurosis over it. And that was just those three words. A decade ago.

    Imagine if this punk were not a Jew, but an Arab, saying that about people? How many seconds would you give before it was ALL OVER the global media, and this site had a stroke and died, due to the SEEEEEEEEEEEEEETHE over it.

    Let alone if he was in or part of Parliment. Let alone if he were then voted 25th best person of all time. I would hate to see what else is on that list...
     
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    Actually, it isn't.
    Israel would collapse without American tax dollars.
    I'm with the '10 year and gone' on this one.
    About a sixth of Israelis have foreign passports, mostly American and German.
    The US is looking at instant visa for Israelis
    More Israeli are leaving that country than new Jewish immigration, entering
    The Jewish birthrate is far lower than the Arabs

    The loss of many citizens will eave Arab majorities in many areas, this means the more extreme Jews will tend to get more defensive and become far more prominent. We're seeing this at the moment with Nettie's rant about illegal settlements never being dismantled if he gets elected again.

    The US, for it's own financial reasons and the total lack of world support, will have to stop American's tax dollars being given away to the country that causes most of America's international problems and cost America massive amounts because it has to defend from attackers who simply wouldn't be hostile if the US wasn't supporting Israel.
     
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    Correct. Not that I recall the American tax payer ever being asked, nor do I recall any Presidential candidate ever running on a ticket of, let us cut all monies we give to Israel, and instead, let us reinvest the people's money(tax), in ways that benefit Americans. In like actual America. Which is sort of strange, since one may think that a ticket of 'Look, I can invest billions into whatever you want, and it will not cost you a penny more', would be a vote catcher, for any American, no matter what silly label he has placed on himself.

    How strange that no US Presidential candidate, of all the mad and bad manifesto ideas and promises they do make, have made the one that would indeed only appeal, logically and rationally, to any American. Well, apart from the Zionist lobbyists etc. They would hate Americans money to be spent on Americans, how dare they even think of such a hateful thing even...

    ;)

    Of course, someone like that may come by and say 'But we don't mind giving this money to Israel'. How do they know? How can they be sure? If it never gets spoken about, and it not doing so is never offered as an option, they simply cannot say that.

    Then you may hear 'But we also give aid to other countries'. And, yes, apparently that is also true. But they give most of their entire aid budget, to one state, Israel, that has 3million adults in it.

    And even having done so, and paid for lots of other things for them, you see what happens? I call it 'Spoiled Teen Sydrome'.

    They throw a hissy fit if they perceive they are not getting all they demand. They still live off mummy and daddy. But despite all of that, they have an incredibly and undeservingly high opinion of themselves, and would scream at their parents 'I am independent you know'...as they handed him his allowance.

    Thing is. They ain't even your kid. So when they do all of this to the US, it is even more ill fitting.

    Your origins were not East European, in the main. Their origins are, and not just origins, a good % of Russians etc in Israel.

    Your primary religion is/was Christianity. Their primary religion could be said to be Judaism, but in truth, Zionism rules the roost, and it is atheistic in origin.

    You were always a nation of great inventors, creators, while they, they are happy for Netenyahu to stand up in front of the UN, and lay claim to American technology, and European for that matter, as if 64yrs, when Jews began inventing all the wonders that you see in the World today, from the grains of sand.

    Your ancestors were creators. They are plagarists and destroyers.

    You have men in your history you can be proud of, as they wrote laws and such, that were among those that freed men, and gave rights. They marinate in actions and legislations that removes more rights, and seeks to control more freedom.

    You generally seem to cherish the 2nd amendment, and from the names I keep hearing, it seems to be their tribal friends that speak in your accent here, that are most anti second amendment.

    The shared values etc is a load of manure, put up by them, like a slogan.

    There are LOTS of good Americans I have heard who 100% say the same, that their values or not or were not American values, AT ALL.

    Of course, you would see the benefit in them wanting to blur the lines right, to get the mass to think the values were just the same.
     
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    I am amazed that you have no clue about what foreign aid is used for. America is a superpower. It uses its $55 Billion in economic and military aid per year to further its political and diplomatic goals. It is a necessary vitally important tool in maintaining and extending America influence throughout the world.

    These kinds of policy expenditures are not within the jurisdiction of the electorate, but of the government they elect. No president would ever get elected with a plank of eliminating foreign aid as it would be tantamount to an admission of retreat from America's super power position. Its simply a completely non-viable and rather spurious suggestion.

    ONce again Jack you fail big time in the facts department. Total US foreign aid plus US military aid totalled $55 billion in 2011. Of that, the biggest receipients were Afghanistan($4.1B), Israel, Pakistan (1.8B) Haiti (1.77B) Egypt (1.55B) Israel's total aid represents about 5% of the total ($2.77B).

    the aid to Israel amounts to less than 5% of the Israeli budget. And as you know the lionshare is in the form of military aid, where 75% of the funds must be used to purchase American arms.

    I hardly think that 5% of total income would collapse the Israeli economy. Especially if with them no longer required to buy American weapons, they could quickly beef up their already formidable arms industry to mitigate the effects.



    very poor analogy.

    Neither were Israeli orgins in the main.

    Mizrahi and Sephardic jews account for 2.9 million or 50.2% of the population
    Ashkenazi jews account for 2.7 million or 47.5%

    Legitimate criticism is based on facts. Perhaps you can at least use them (facts) that is in your posts especially if you want your definitive statements to be true.

    Zionism isn't a religion jack. Not even close to being a religion. your constant conflation of jews/zionist/israelis now makes some sense.


    Israel is a nation of great inventors and creators and intellectuals as well jack. Now I realize that fact can (*)(*)(*)(*) off a lot of jew haters, but the facts cannot be ignored. It is your reaction that claims they feel that they are the source of all things wonderful in the last 64 years. You cannot provide any facts or quotes to back up your emotional response to the intellectual power of the jews and of Israeli.


    Marvellous spurious comparative there jack. Please list their criminal plagarisms and the list of things they destroyed. I doubt you'll find anything that even comes close to hiroshima, dresden or nagasaki in terms of being all star destroyers.


    You really like these false comparisons. In all fairness, I guess you don't know about the anti-terror legislation in the States, with warrantless wire taps, and other suveillance methods, indefinite detention without legal recourse, etc. Seems to me that is removing rights and seeking more control.


    ROFLMAO!
    You really are out of touch about the current debate on the second amendment aren't you? Again you make a claim based on a couple of names you hear, not on facts. Arriving at such erroneous conclusions on such skimpy anecdotal evidence is kinda sad.

    Yes there are lots of good americans who don't like Israel.
    But there are a lot of good americans who do like Israel.
    As to shared values, there is a fairly long list that is obvious if one would simply look.

    I'd be willing to bet that if you polled americans on which country more closely shared american values between say France and Israel, Israel would trounce france in responses. the trouncing would be even more severe if you just polled republicans.


    Nobody believes that the term "shared values" means all values, jack. Given the lack of facts present in your arguments, the blurring of lines would seem to be equally beneficial to opponents.
     
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    Factually incorrect.

    mostly because children of Israeli jews born abroad are classified as Israeli by Israel and entitled to Israeli passport.

    factually incorrect.


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    Much of the world no longer wants it, parts of the remainder are wavering and those that do want it already see themselves as being Americans by proxy. When the US of AIPAC taxpayer realises that he/she is being milked to finance exactly the skullduggery he/she is told is un-American then you can expect the horseburgers to hit the fan. America is not beyond revolution.
     
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    So now that we've gotten the usual Jew-Hatred© and Zionist Whining© out of the way, could we start talking about the differences between the candidates involved and their differing platforms so we could maybe learn some information about the elections? Perhaps discussed by an ACTUAL Israeli who has some ACTUAL nuance into what's happening there?

    Or was this thread made so as to have another excuse for the usual Jew-Hatred© and Zionist Whining© -?
     
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    Thank you very much for the uplifting 'kudos and truism' but this effort will fall on deaf ears, the man is full of venom and has something against Jews. I hope you would have an opportunity to dislodge what many and I tried to get out of him and the reason behind it... There is nothing for me to discuss with this man... He made a splashing introduction with an avatar where the word Zionism was interlaced with a swastika.

    Once again thank you for the correct statistics... Just a word or two about the Aid Package... Today Israel can really live without it... We could still buy our planes anywhere even in Russia... we have the best rapport with them nowadays.
    The antagonists here do not realize that buying planes from the US keeps their factories working. Speaking of planes the leader of Egypt Mr. Mursi is receiving F16 from America then, had the temerity to state openly that he will not have good relations with the descendents of Apes and Pigs... Frankly I do not know what else to say...
     
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    Sure.

    Go on then...
     
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    So what?

    Besides, it is still better than being a Jewish racist, or stealing others land, or murdering children, right?

    Offended by everything, and ashamed by nothing....that is your lot.
     
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    Do you think that this thread is intended as a cautionary tale before neoZionist fascists draw Americans into another war on their behalf ? Is that how you'd define ' Zionist whinings ' ? :mrgreen:
     
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    I define Whining against Zionism© as starting a thread about the elections in Israel and then immediately discussing nothing about said elections, but instead doing the usual Three Minutes Hate.

    So far, instead of learning about who was representing which party and what each party has as a platform and what each party stands for at the time, all I'm seeing is the usual "IsraelBaaa-AAA-aadJewsRMurderersZionismbaaa-AAA-aaadwarglewarglewarrrrrgle."

    So again I ask: Is there an Israeli national here who actually wants to tell us what the issues of the day are for the Israeli elections and spend some time telling us something we don't know rather than parrotting the same thing we've heard a million times before from the Usual Suspects? Lord, how I miss Happy Fun Dude and Serfin'. At least those two would discuss this kind of stuff.
     
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    Why not look yourself, and then offer your views then?
     
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    Fine, clock this;

    Since then, the fascist, Lieberman, has been indicted for serious crimes. Interested in what crimes this degenerate neoZionist has been charged with ? Or is that unimportant to your electoral perceptions :mrgreen:
     
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    No charges, of course..

    High up organised criminals in Israel are rarely prosecuted, no need to wonder how that can be.

    And their reach into their politics is known, surely, I mean, before SW cites it, I am not saying no other politicians ever, from a country their size, has ever gotten into corruption and deals with OC. Not saying never. But, in Israel, it is not occasional, it is the norm, and extends right the way up. The FBI said not so long back that they are gravely concerned about the scale and danger they represent. They also said they had no confidence in Israel effectively being of a mind to ensure the American public are not placed in danger by them, since they so freely move in and out of the US.

    As to the vote, it is almost a redundant question, since everyone knows who is going to 'win'.

    It doesn't matter about any of the other parties, since they are merely decor.

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    No charges, of course..

    High up organised criminals in Israel are rarely prosecuted, no need to wonder how that can be.

    And their reach into their politics is known, surely, I mean, before SW cites it, I am not saying no other politicians ever, from a country their size, has ever gotten into corruption and deals with OC. Not saying never. But, in Israel, it is not occasional, it is the norm, and extends right the way up. The FBI said not so long back that they are gravely concerned about the scale and danger they represent. They also said they had no confidence in Israel effectively being of a mind to ensure the American public are not placed in danger by them, since they so freely move in and out of the US.

    As to the vote, it is almost a redundant question, since everyone knows who is going to 'win'.

    It doesn't matter about any of the other parties, since they are merely decor.
     
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    Well, what do you think......hmm....

    The cable notes that it is unclear how far the crime families have penetrated the government, but it mentions the 2004 arrest of former minister Gonen Segev, who tried to smuggle thousands of Ecstasy pills into Israel, and the election of Inbal Gavrieli to the Knesset in 2003.

    "The election of Inbal Gavrieli to the Knesset in 2003 as a member of Likud raised concerns about OC influence in the party's Central Committee. Gavrieli is the daughter of a suspected crime boss, and she attempted to use her parliamentary immunity to block investigations into her father's business."

    :roll:

    In 2006 she used her parliamentary immunity to prevent her father's house being searched by police during an investigation into illegal gambling and tax evasion. The Movement for Quality Government requested that the attorney general open a criminal investigation into the issue.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbal_Gavrieli
     
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    Well, I guess on a message board, when one starts a thread about Israeli elections, one should actually start with current news ABOUT the elections and then start to DISCUSS them and not go far afield about Today's Talking Points About Why We Hate Israel. Although at this point I should have known better, I was expecting some actual news and discussion right here about the posted thread topic rather than whet ended up as the Usual Drivel from the Usual Suspects as I was genuinely curious about the subject. In short, I was hoping the place to look would be here.

    Come on, you know what's really going on, this thread is just another excuse to diss Zionism again. So boring and predictable. What's next? Someone posting a thread titled "International Golf Courses" which then veers off into how Jews own 90% of all golf companies by the third sentence because that's what the poster really wanted to rant about and used the same bait-and-switch in order to do it?

    So again I ask, would someone who lives in Israel post some information that actually pertains to the thread so we can learn about it? Or else, can a mod close this thread, because let's face it, if this thread were a horse, it should have been shot.
     
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    Knesset pin-up boy, Meyer Lansky;

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