BTW, you ever notice how less "outraged" male homophobes are with...

Actually, I'll take the dictionary's word over yours. Just sayin'.

 

It comes from a greek god of fear, phobos. Fear is the real meaning of phobia, that dictionary of yours give you the common usage which includes hatred. I'm just saying that's misusing the word. I'm sure the greeks have plenty of words for hatred that we can use instead of misusing this one.

 

It's not my dictionary. And obviously, there is no misuse here. Also from Merriam Webster:

: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homophobia

If you'd like to argue with them, fine. I'm not the one making up definitions of words- it must be the dictionary.

 

again, that's the common usage they're referring to. Phobos is the god of fear, not hatred. Styx is the god of hatred so homo hating is more accurately known as homostygia to avoid confusion with irrational fear of gays, homophobia. I'm not arguing against that society has gone on to include not only fear in it's meaning of phobia but also hatred, I'm just saying that it's wrong. there are better words for it and it avoid any confusion.

edit: or, since these words are made of either latin of greek, one can take the latin equivalent Eris. homoerity, or homerity or something then.

 

The word "homophobia" was 'coined' in the 1960's by Dr. George Weinberg. The word has been used for about a generation. The SILLY NOTION that the word is ill-defined or widely misused is generally nonsense, especially in light of the way that homosexuals are still viewed and even mistreated today.

Homophobia describes very well, what the word addresses. So be it.

 

Ya ni ponimayo

 

BTW, anybody notice little REFUTATION of my original point from the homophobes?

If Cinemax showed a film of two men making out....those guys would be "sickened and outraged".

Cinemax does 15 "erotic thriller" films with tons of lesbian sex....not only wouldn't they object, they'd likely tune in.

 

My point would be that dr. weinberg chose his words very poorly since phobia didn't have anything to do with hatred or dislike until he began the marketing of it as such. I mean, when you have the chance to make a new word why would you pick words that are totally unreleated? He should've called it homostygia. But then, homo, which means man in latin and 'same' in greek, is also misused. I mean homophobia would actually mean fear of the same according to that... yeah, he chose the wrong words alright.

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well i already said that men on men is simply gross and violates my morals immensely, but girl on girl is a gift from god. Unless it's manly butch lesbians because then its maybe even worse than men on men and an even bigger violation of my morals.

 

What morals are that?

 

sarcastic morals tbh. I don't care whom people have sex with. BUT, i don't think men on men is fun to watch as girl on girl is.

 

Is someone forcing you to watch two guys?

 

Talk to Weinberg about it (if possible)... and understand that society won't (nor I myself) seek your exclusive 'approval' of any particular word.

The people who use the terms homophobia, homophobic or homophobe... know what they generally mean and they can define them well-enough and better (even with the help of an English dictionary).

Homophobia is what it is, and what it is... fits the definition of the word.

 

No, and I wouldn't want to becaue I find it somewhat gross.

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obviously I can't turn the ship around, nor do I really care actually. But you ought to see why having a word that literally means 'fear of the same' to mean 'hatred of gays' is just a bad choice of words.

 

Well, if no one's forcing you, then why do you care what other people do? It has nothing to do with you.

 

Basically because there was a male identity of 'big strong hunter' who hunted women and rabbits and things, and they were stupid but strong cos that's what men are (huh, and urg and what not).

But there is no place left for stupid strong people anymore, so the identity is is trouble, and men like that are lashing out to try and save their dead world.

Gay men make them the 'hunted' ones, thus contradicts their fragile identity. Women who like other women are just 'harder prey'.

 

So again....you're agreeing with my initial premise. The "moral outrage" of anti-gay males...is quite selective?

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Probably true....but regardless, it undercuts the argument that they oppose homosexuality on "moral" or "Christian values" grounds. If (as some of our even strident rightwing moralists admit) "girl on girl stuff is hot"....then two people of the same gender having sex isn't their issue, is it?

 

Yes, I don't disagree with you. I just find it interesting.

 

You protestations here, betray that claim. Even so, your mind is your own.

It is up to YOU to know what the word means. If it does not apply in your opinion... then, so be it; that will be debated. However, I'm NOT ever going to debate the actual meaning of the word; the dictionary does a fine job of defining "homophobia" and if that's not enough... today you also have Google as a resource.

Please, face reality and grasp it as well.

 

I know, did I say it had? no one's forcing me, did I say there were? I'm just saying that I find it gross, and girl on girl, provided it's babes, is hot.

 

No, not really. I'm not anti gay, I just don't think male-gayness is fun to watch. besides I'm not being serious, them screwing around doesn't violate my morals at all. unless they do it right in front of me or something obviously.

 

But johnny, I'm not trying to say that homophobia doesn't exist or something, don't be soo overly defensive. I'm just saying that the word homophobia consists of homo and phobia, both greek, and they mean literally same and fear. And when you want to make up a new fancy word that means hatred of gays those two words aren't the best to choose for that, since they have nothing to do with it. at all. Really, I'm just complaining about society's blatant disregard for the actual meaning of words, it hasn't got anything to do with homosexuality even.

 

We've shown you official definitions from several dictionaries. You don't have to like reality, but you really should acknowledge it.

 

show me a dictionary that doesn't say that homo means 'same' and phobos means 'fear' in greek and you're right.

 

No, I don't think so; considering all that I and other homosexual people have endured. Yeah, I'm guarded about things... I've been hurt enough by bigoted and homophobic nonsense.

You either use the word "homophobia" or you do not; your choice. I'm not ever going to argue it with you or anyone else. I know what the word means... and what it describes fits the definition ascribed to it. Also, there are people to which the word "homophobic" or "homophobe" can accurately be applied. It exists, and there is a WORD for it (just as there are for other things). If you don't agree with the term... so be it.

Create for yourself another thread and discuss that. That cannot actually be the topic here.

 

This isn't the thread for the argument you are pursuing.