It is an accepted fact that the Right to defend comes from God. Since you are an atheist, it is easier to understand why you do not covet the BoR the way most people do, Rights. If there is no God, then your Rights become a privilege under the government and can be taken away. What the government takes, it never gives back.
Because the government of the United States, unlike that of Australia, is Constitutionally prohibited from doing so. Regardless, you do realize the homicide rate is at an all time historical low, right? And that fully half of the homicides that do occur are thug-on-thug, mostly drug gang related homicides, right?
maaybe we should rethink giving up a millimeter........ http://tpnn.com/after-purchasing-4-...land-security-now-seeks-7000-assault-weapons/ After Purchasing 4.5 Million Hollow Points, Homeland Security Now Seeks 7,000 ‘Assault Weapons’ January 29, 2013 By Greg Campbell TPNN Contributor "...Citing a General Service Administration (GSA) request for proposal (RFP), Steve McGough of RadioViceOnline.com reports that DHS is asking for the 7,000 ‘select-fire’ firearms because they are ‘suitable for personal defense use in close quarters.’ The term select-fire means the weapon can be both semi-automatic and automatic. Civilians are prohibited from obtaining these kinds of weapons..." seriously, looks they are gearing for a war here....Why in the hell would DHS need that kind of firepower on home turf?
The islamic extremists laugh at Obama. I would not consider all the unrest in the ME to be a sign of good things. Yes, the wars in the ME are an unfortunates expense. We should never have gone into Iraq without world support, and Afghanistan was predicted to be a disaster, just like the Soviets experienced. Hindsight is always 20/20.
I didn't realize you were close enough to islamic extremists to have discussed their views on Obama. It doesn't take hindsight to know that picking a random country and starting an unbudgeted war with them is stupid.
Accepted by whom? Have you ever read the Bible? Matthew 5:7 “Blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain mercy” Matthew 5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers”Matthew 5:39-40 "But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well." Matthew 5:44 “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you” Luke 6:35 “But love your enemies, and do good” While I'm at it, here's another fun quote: "In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. It is easier to acquire wealth and power by this combination than by deserving them, and to effect this, they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer for their purposes" (written by Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to Horatio Spafford in 1814)
Ok, I guess that the increase in mass shootings can just be ignored since it only happens "occasionally" and the total homocide rate is decreased... Said no one, ever.
this coming from an atheist...................You should know, I'm non-denominational...... I have seen Man at his best, ovecoming great adversity and trials that would lay many of us low. But I have also seen Man at his absolute worse.......You've been to war, so you know exactly what I mean. It's not just the military that create atrocities.
I have studied religion pretty extensively, that's why I'm comfortable in calling myself an atheist. What flavor of Christian you are doesn't matter. If you believe what the Bible says, you know Jesus preached peace and extreme non-violence. You're right about one thing, everyone who has a strong opinion (on either side) has seen some ugly stuff... I just think we should try to PREVENT it, rather than responding to it while allowing it to continue.
Jesus also told his followers to buy swords. Luke 22:36 And He said to them, But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one.
Mass shootings HAVE NOT increased. http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/18/nation/la-na-nn-mass-shootings-common-20121218
That is obviously debateable. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ps-mass-shootings-arent-becoming-more-common/ The standard FBI definition includes ALL shootings where there were 4 or more victims. You get a much more precise view of when excluding things like armed robbery or gang violence; which allows us to focus on spree killings that were similar in style to Virginia Tech or Aurora or Newtown. There’s a clear increase of this type of violence. - - - Updated - - - Are you trying to make a point, or is this just a random comment?
yep..you may be exhibiting the "good slave" concept. You appear to be espousing the identical montra about something that all the other emotionalists are weeping and wringing their hands to, all coming from your many masters.................almost like you cannot think past the end of your nose Here's the big difference, my Rights flow from God.............where do yours come from?
"...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness..." I affect no ones Rights in any way, shape or form. Why would I want to surrender any portion of my Rights for four or five really sick bastards? For the good of society? IMO society is already in it's final death throes, but I'm still safer than one or two others out of 100,000,000.
Hardly random. - - - Updated - - - Chicago is the poster child for proving gun control does not work... Strictest Gun Laws In The Land Couldn’t Stop Fatal Shots: Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/01/s...-land-couldnt-stop-fatal-shots/#ixzz2Jfmsx0lI
Yep and DUI laws do not stop alcohol related car accidents - so why not strike THEM off the books as well?
It's been very interesting reading the posts here; and of course following the ongoing countrywide debate regarding gun control in the US. At this point in time I have to admit I agree with the far right; in that banning guns would cause more crime. The problem is; most of the US citizens are too close to this issue to clearly see that which hits the rest of the civilised world in the face with a sledgehammer. Agreed; guns are not the problem; they are of course just a powerful tool. Unfortunately they are a tool in the hands of not just US criminals; but the majority of its citizens; and within a country that is unfortunately far more socially undeveloped than almost any other developed country in the world. Deciding (if this actually happens) to instigate a ban on guns in the US at this stage would cause complete havoc; as until this ingrained 'quirk' regarding the unhealthy obsession with guns is bred out of American's (which of course would take several generations) ;and overall US social development is comparable to the rest of the developed world, the result of a gun ban would be countrywide maelstrom. Its a double paradox really, for as US citizens are not socially developed, re: responsible enough to carry guns; they have to carry guns.... Take this 'quirk' out of the equation first; cultivate social redress ; then and only then can you introduce a gun ban. The rest of the developed world reached this juncture a long time ago; unfortunately the significant US economic power (past); and self sanctioned position as worlds policeman has long ensured that its citizens never had to.
..here comes the blanket folks.....I noticed that there was no division between responsible owners and criminals, instead you apply that ugly thought to every American that might own a gun insinuating that we are all the same, uncontrolable killers who have shootouts everyday in front of the good ol' saloon at high noon. You perspective is irrational. What you don't get is that it is a Right. And since you have no BoR, you have nothing to protect. You governmnet controls you. This line of thinking comes from communism. But you are right about one thing, one of the reasons we own is because there are people out there just like you who would dearly like to order the rest of us around and tell us how to live our lives. How liken you are to Squealer from Animal Farm. We have one thing you don't have, a Constitution with a Bill of Rights. Study that along with some accurate American history then come back to this debate. Also study Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Jong, Castro.......These are required at the college level here, and still in some highschools.
Really? So was the justification again? Searching for Bin Laden? Searching for WMDs? Right, because comparing a NATIONAL program to a city program makes a lot more sen se than comparing it to another NATIONAL program... Said no one, ever.
Your reply compounds my thinking more adequately than my post. Thank you. The US Constitution guarantees citizens the right to bear arms. But bearing arms doesn’t specifically mean owning arms which takes us straight back to the fact that those responsible enough to carry arms rarely want, or feel the need to.
you response compounds this statement, You are subjects of the law/monarchy. since this is all you know, then your irrational statements are based only within that view. That, by the way, is a real clever way to state a debate, by insults...shows your level of experience and educational view clarify this, please "But bearing arms doesnt specifically mean owning arms..." Our SCOTUS disagrees with you
This post reminds me of an old saying... Something about pots and kettles... Anyway, I think that an outside perspective is likely to be the least biased and most objective. Of course, given that Australians have already implemented gun control successfully, I can understand your discomfort at having Aussies chime in.
Oh dear hypocrisy alert; Because my thinking does not agree with yours I have to be uneducated and a hostile force yes?.. That is insulting. Once again; "But the right to bear arms doesnt specifically mean owning arms" if you were socially developed; Your SCOTUS would have no relevence.
Stiffer penalties may deter some DUI's. Gun laws, over 20,000 of them on the books right now, need to be enforced. Crimes committed with a gun already mandate 20 years in most places.
