Majority of American believe illegal immigrants should be deported

So in other words, sell Visas? It's not a bad idea but that would only work for professionals who have that kind of cash. Why wouldn't people doing agricultural work just continue to come across illegally?

 

A solid plan.

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I dunno about that man. These mexican babes around here are smoking hot.

 

Anybody who hires an illegal is an accessory to their criminal activity and needs to lose their business licenses if they have one and be treated like any other organized criminal. They need to be fined, jailed, and all their assets need to be confiscated and sold at public auction to help pay for the delousing of the country. Do that and they will start deporting themselves.

 

Yes I take positions.
My position is that most of the right wing posters on this forum are racists and can't think for themselves and NEED these trolling circle jerk threads to feel relevant. That is how pathetic their lives really are.
Whats typical is the rights need to attack everyone that does not agree with them and points out their failures of logic.

 

Here are some conservatives who disagree with you:

Michael Gerson — Former George W. Bush Speechwriter: “That is the wisdom of the authors of the 14th Amendment: They essentially wanted to take this very difficult issue — citizenship — outside of the political realm. They wanted to take an objective standard, birth, instead of a subjective standard, which is the majorities at the time. I think that’s a much better way to deal with an issue like this.”

Mark McKinnon — Republican political advisor to former President George W. Bush: “The 14th Amendment is a great legacy of the Republican party. It is a shame and an embarrassment that the GOP now wants to amend it for starkly political reasons … Initially Republicans rallied around the amendment to welcome more citizens to this country. Now it is being used to drive people away.”

Cesar Conda — Former assistant for domestic policy to Vice President Dick Cheney: “Innocent children shouldn’t be held responsible for the sins of their parents. [...] Senator Graham’s plan to end birthright citizenship is not only substantively and politically flawed, but it undermines a bedrock principle of modern conservatism — preserving the sanctity of life. Republicans and conservatives ought to think long and hard before embracing such a controversial proposal.”

Lou Dobbs –Former CNN anchor and conservative pundit: “I have absolutely maintained for years that the anchor baby issue is one of law. We have a law in which they become U.S. citizens for being born here. If you are going to insist on the rule of law and order — and I do — I have to insist that we recognize those anchor babies as citizens of this country.”

Mark Krikorian — Executive Director, Center for Immigration Studies: “I don’t like illegals having U.S.-citizen kids any more than anyone else, but there’s no evidence suggesting that this “drop and leave” stuff is true. [...] I hope I don’t get in trouble with my friends for this, and there are indeed people I respect who disagree with me, but there’s a sense in which, just as anti-Semitism is the socialism of fools, an inordinate focus on birthright citizenship is the restrictionism of fools — and Lindsey Graham is strong evidence for that claim.”

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2010/08/10/176209/gop-birthright-citizenship/?mobile=nc

As for Reuters,
Here is something that should be contrast with Reuter's results:

Which comes closest to your view about illegal immigrants who are currently working in the U.S.? They should be allowed to stay in their jobs and to eventually apply for U.S. citizenship. OR, They should be allowed to stay in their jobs only as guest workers, but not to apply for U.S. citizenship. OR, They should be required to leave their jobs and leave the U.S."
12/11 - 6/12: "Which comes closest to your view about illegal immigrants who are currently working in the U.S.? They should be allowed to stay in their jobs and to eventually apply for U.S. citizenship. OR, They should be allowed to stay in their jobs only as temporary guest workers, but not to apply for U.S. citizenship. OR, They should be required to leave their jobs and leave the U.S."


Stay, apply
for citizenship Stay as
guest workers Leave
the U.S. Unsure
% % % %
2/6-10/13
53 21 21 5
1/24-27/13
51 20 24 5
12/12-16/12
47 24 27 3
10/25-28/12

51 20 24 5
5/31 - 6/3/12
43 21 32 4
2/8-13/12
42 22 30 6
12/14-18/11
44 26 26 4
9/10-15/11
37 20 38 5
4/28 - 5/2/10
43 21 32 4

http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm

 

Our illegal problem is only a federal problem, not a State problem since 1808. I believe we should be solving our illegal problem on a permanent basis via Commerce that is well regulated among the several States.

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Some people pay around a thousand dollars. A market friendly work visa would make it simpler and provide no incentive for the private sector to make money off of illegal labor since illegal labor would have more incentive to become legal if it is as easy and convenient as paying a market friendly fee for a work visa.

 

This post violates forum rules on every level ......but I will respond anyway. So now it is racissss to not want your home country overrun by a bunch of low IQ, illiterate,welfare sucking, non-English speaking people.....pathetic

 

And still have nothing od substance to present.

Be gone.

Everybody put thus internet johny-tough-guy on ignore.

He never actually contributes anything, nor is he interested in a discussion. He is only interested in slinging vitriol. What a disgusting little person. CLICK.

 

These seems completely ridiculous on the face that somehow there will be enough tax revenue generated by just providing work visas, but could you fully explain what you mean by "more efficient social safety nets"?

Usually, folks used to lifting all stones that are interested in actually discussing a realistic solution can see a ploom of smoke from someone espousing vague, granduesque, unrealistic ideals a mile away.

So far, your posts remind me of the "buzz word bingo" commercial.

 

One can't discuss libertarian ideals such as at will employment while also suggesting "efficient social safety nets". I could care less about the legality of the immigrants, but I do not feel that their ability to demand a much lower wage than what the market decides should be subsidized by their job market competitors taxes. You seem to be in favor of allowing immigrants rent seeking privilege. If an immigrant has the ability to compete for a job at a compensation rate that can also completely support his/her and his/her family's needs, then by all means swing the gate open.

 

Wouldn't it depend on the cost per work visa for a year, times the number of persons applying for the work visa?

How many "illegal" problems do amusement parks have? That is the proven business model I am advocating.

It should be more cost effective than any Great Walls of America that are not now tourist attractions.

 

I didn't mention any walls. In fact, my plan to mitigate immigration of individuals without the ability to care for themselves would save money.

 

I believe the feds should be deporting everyone who is here illegally.

 

There is already a visa for agricultural workers, the H-2A. It's cost is charged to the employer, not the employee. So in theory, it should be in even more demand than your hypothetical $1000.00 worker visa. However the employers are not interested in it since under that visa they have to pay a decent wage, and provide bed and board. So employers much prefer illegal labor to costly legal labor. That's why every time there is an immigration discussion we always say "Hey, lets start a worker's visa!" In fact, we've had them and have had them for years. The only way that employers would use them if their supply of illegals were cut off, and right now, the government doesn't want to do that.

 

We have a Ninth Amendment, a federal doctrine regarding employment at will and State at-will employment laws to consider; or are you always willing to sacrifice the end to the means, contrary to the "dictates of plain reason and legal axioms"?

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I mentioned a market friendly work visa; the business model could be the amusement park sector.

 

Once again, I have no idea what you are trying to say. My guess is that through your efforts to sound intelligent you have completely misinterpretted what I was implying. Also, kudos with maintaining the completely vague schtick with appealing to the 9th amendment.

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Can amusement park workers completely provide for their families, or should we subsidize their ability to replace teenagers and college students as amusement park employees?

 

Thank you for ceding the point and the argument you didn't have.

How much of an "illegal" problem do amusement parks have?

 

I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

I actually have an argument, not just propaganda and rhetoric, like most of those of the opposing view.

 

I agree. Especially the ones that pollute the population with anchor babies!

 

I wonder why in these "let's do something about illegal immigrants" threads no one ever mentions the REASON they come here.

The Reason: People hire them.

The people hiring them are also breaking the law.

The owners, the CEOs, the executives who are responsible for the Hiring Of Illegals are breaking the law.

If immigrants couldn't get jobs, they'd go home.


Fining a company that makes millions or billions has NOT worked.


Put the owners, the CEOs, the executives in jail for at least a year(and not the Country Club jails) and we would NOT have an "illegal immigrant" problem...


We do not have an "illegal immigrant" problem...we have "Executives Breaking the Law" problem.

 

It comes up all the time.

Maybe you just haven't been paying attention.

But most illegal aliens are hired by other minorities who have a green card and speak English.

They are then subcontracted to a larger company that technically does not know they are here illegally.

That's what happened to Walmart a few years ago with subcontractors hired to sweep the floors at night.

 

Much better yet, get rid of your inherently coercive medicaid, public education and welfare programs and the problem disappears. You can't exploit the entitlement system if the country doesn't steal from its citizens to begin with.

 

I guess those jobs are open to everyone. So why aren't Americans doing them?

 

Could be I wasn't paying attention because most anti-immigrant threads are just a Hate fest against poor, desperate people.

Owners, CEOs, executives are responsible for their company's actions . Please don't tell me that they are unaware that there's a problem.


Doesn't this country believe in Taking Responsibilty?


And my contention that jailing a few of these criminals would help alleviate the "illegal immigrant" problem is very valid....a fine very obviously does no good.....they have made too much money off the backs of cheap labor to care about a fine..