What Mormons won't tell you, but you should probably know

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Well, our resident Mormon doesn't want me to use his missionary thread to expose the truth about the Mormon faith.

So he invited me to start another thread, and here it is.

Enjoy.

 

Wow...that is quite a mouthful.

So which parts do you want me to address? And it isn't a missionary thread, it was a Q&A thread...

 

I guess when your own church is attacked, its important to attack other churches....

 

It would appear so. Not exactly the way I wanted to start, but hey, too late now. Let the Holy Grudge Match begin...

Lol.

 

These scriptures are taking well out of context. They refer to the time where the saints were to petition the government for redress of their wrongs. While it does mention outer darkness, which is the ultimate penalty. There is no reference to "black holes" of any sort. Also, the bit about ex-mormons is a bit of a stretch. While it is true that only ex-mormons can achieve such a low state(I think), it is one that requires a lot of work to get there because you have to have perfect knowledge of the savior and reject and deny the holy spirit after having such knowledge. Something that requires a lot of work to do. Most people on the earth do not qualify, and the average rank and file member does not either.

I think whoever put this together didn't do their research very well. But time will tell.

 

Fiction. Read the pages from two different sources. This cake building weirdness never occurred, neither did it mention different ages. It mentions that matter can be organized, and reorganized as needed. So I suppose it could be done, but it was never mentioned. Looks like added flair by this "researcher". It mentions that matter always existed, and neither can be created nor destroyed, only reorganized. Although it does sound like a nice way to explain dinosaur fossils.

But hey, don't take my word for it, look for your self. Source, and the other source.

Much like an architect eh?

 

Your religion is equally false. They all are.

 

Right, as an atheist you would believe that.

But this thread isn't about atheism is it?

Start your own thread about atheism.

Or better yet, add to the already 134,043,330 threads already started about atheism.

 

It seems to me that Mormons can't really call themselves Christians, since so many of their beliefs are un-Biblical. Gemini_fyre, would you agree?

 

pot calling the kettle black.

All your religions are equally absurd.

 

Not an atheist, strictly speaking, but I think the idea the we figured out everything there is to know about spirituality 2,000 years ago, and that there is nothing more to know and nothing that they got wrong is laughable. Many biblical prohibitions are because humans didn't understand basic biology, and mistook illness for real-time punishment from gawd. Now we understand that eating shellfish isn't "evil", you just have to make sure it's fresh and prepared properly.

 

Really? A Catholic is saying that someone can't be Christian because they hold extra-biblical beliefs?

Seriously?

Also, aren't you the same guy who was saying that Mormons are Christians when you were calling on people to vote for one?

 

Nothing quite says the Love of Christ like one Christian attacking another.

 

Oh Blackrook, how low you've sunk. I remember a post about, oh, three years ago that I admired because it was thought provoking. I see times have changed. Why should I try and change your opinion when you obviously don't want to change it? Ultimately, I can't do anything to force you to change your mind. I believe in free will, and you've apparently made your choice. I'll miss you.

 

Obviously not. Just curious, have you even read the LDS scriptures?

And before I continue refuting this smear campaign, will you yield to truth or just rail against it regardless? I am not saying that we don't believe weird stuff, we do by the worldly standard of average people. Even by fellow "Christians".

 

Moses 1:33, and 39 addresses this perfectly. "33 And worlds without number have I created; and I also created them for mine own purpose; and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten."

God has a job as outlined in verse 39, "For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man."

Generally speaking, God puts people on the worlds he creates. And on others obviously not - like Venus, Mars, Mercury... The purpose of these lifeless worlds? Haven't the foggiest, but obviously mankind wouldn't survive on them given their qualities. I could only speculate that they may serve as a sort of shield against large impacts the he didn't want occurring at the time, but that is purely speculation on my part. Perhaps just a demonstration of power, really I have no idea why he makes lifeless rocks. Maybe he got bored?

D&C 110:11 -

No mention of the living arrangements of the ten tribes. Or UFO's. This is speculation. Although I suppose with sufficient technology you could burrow into the earth and be cozy for a while - well within the capabilities of the divine I'd say.

D&C 133:26 -

No mention of flying at all. Let alone in high tech dinnerware. There are some who speculate that they were "cast out" and roam the cosmos in some vessel of a sort, but these are the interpretations of men in reference to certain scriptures. Skousen is one such individual, when he wrote the book "the Cleansing of America" he addresses this in length, but it is HIS interpretation, not cannon doctrine of the church. When I was reading it I could not help but whistle the "X-files" theme song at certain parts of it.

 

If you are referring to the "unclean vs. clean" thing. Well I'll comment on that with speculation. I suspect that was done to see if obedience would be had. Also, it makes no sense to explain microbiology to a people not advanced enough to understand that principles of it. Simply declaring that they shouldn't eat pork, among other things might have just been an easier way to keep them safe since they didn't have the technology or expertise to avoid the potential problems of eating it.

That being said, I enjoy some sea food, and bacon is marvelous. It is all about how you prepare it. But explaining this to a fairly backward people of "iron sinew" may have been just a waste of time. So the blanket statement "its unclean" could have been easier. But then again, I suspect it has a lot to do with seeing if they would be obedient to his commands as well.

End of speculation.

 

Who is "his" in this case?

 

God. The Almighty, Alpha and Omega...you get the idea. He has many aliases, but only one name.

 

OK, that's what I thought, but didn't want to make assumptions. I believe in a Source, which you can call "God" (but I don't like to, because it carries too much religious baggage), but I expect my views on the nature of Source are very different than yours. So, I'll ask a question. Since you think it was "God" who told ancient man not to eat pork and shellfish, how did he communicate with us, and why does he no longer do so?

 

Grudgingly I am not the Old Testament guru. So the answer is not one I am qualified to give. I would guess it was by revelation to a prophet who in turn relayed this information to the relevant parties. He has many ways of communication, scriptures, angelic messengers, revelations, word of mouth, stone tablets, manifestations of the Holy Ghost...plenty of mediums of communication.

And he does still speak to us with modern day revelation. But revelation to one may not be applicable to another, revelation is quite dependent on the concept we would likely call "jurisdiction" or area of authority. I will never receive revelation about something God doesn't want me to know, and unlikely to receive it about something very far removed from my affairs. Example: I'm highly unlikely to receive revelation in regards to a family's decision to have more children...in Dubai. Not my family, and it is outside of my sphere and element so to speak.

And really, what would I do with such a revelation being an American on the other side of the world? Answer: be really confused.

 

Hmm. How then, do we differentiate legitimate messages and crazy? How do we know that Moses received the 10 commandments directly from gawd, as opposed to just typed them up himself and lied about the source? And when I see what appears to be a raving lunatic on the subway claiming he has a message from gawd, how do I know if he's not a raving lunatic, but is the real deal?

 

I just love that Blackrook was able to overcome his bigotry towards Mormons for one day (Election Day)....by virtue of having one running against a black Democratic President.

 

BTW, God isn't on Kolob.....he's on Qo'noS

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Qo'noS

Qa'pla

 

Matthew 7:15-18 addresses this very topic:

I think your powers of deduction are fairly sufficient when you are able to spot out a "raving lunatic" as you say.

James 1:5-8 addresses this as well.

I believe this answers your question. Whether or not you find it sufficient, is beyond me.