Can I convince PF's resident truthers that American 77 hit the Pentagon?

Okay...I'll provide the answer...I'd guess 10-12 years?

 

You said,

I keep thinking, you can't be serious. But I must assume you are.

Plaque asked for my usual "wall of text". Instead I gave him a "wall of sound".

In one instance we have a Jew who was convicted of murder and sentenced to 19 years.
The pun was on the "wall of guilt." In case you missed it, I just gave it to you. That's more courtesy than you have shown to me. You never did say what a Sweeny/Martin was.

This example shows that Jews are human after all and that they are capable of breaking the law, even of committing murder. Don't tell me he was found guilty because the judge and jury was "anti-semitic"?
Amy Winehouse had a recording career that a lot of shiksa hoes would kill for. But that didn't prevent her from killing herself. She did so without any help from "Nazis". And she made herself look like she had been starved in a concentration camp in the process.

One of your pals just bragged to me that yes he was "buzzed". But then went on to say tell ME how stupid I am.
They tried to get Amy to go to rehab but she said "No, No, No."

Plaque would no doubt say the same thing.

John Lennon said that you can't tell people anything. They have to learn for themselves.
There is a lot of truth to that though most people are aware of it without being told by him.

People are resistant to being corrected and even more resistant to being dressed down.

The most you can hope to do by brow beating everyone who doesn't agree with you is to cause them to just go away. Heckling works well only when the majority of people agree with it. The only fate worse than submitting to reproof is being made a social outcast.

That's why the media tries to make it appear that "everyone" agrees with the NIST report. You have used the same ploy when you say only a small minority of "losers" have any doubts remaining about 9/11. If you can't convince them they are in error by force of reason, the next best thing is to make them feel like they are the only one having the thoughts.

I heard Phil Valentine subject a caller to a similar treatment today when he remarked about evidence for controlled demolitions. "Uncle Phil" makes a joke out of it to start out. He goes on to say that there is no scientific evidence to support the theory. His rationale consists of little more than "ALL the SCIENTISTS agree" that... la di da
and "only guys in their early twenties who stay stoned all the time" believe in the "conspiracies".
Those are not quotes,only the gist of his "scientific arguments".

He gave no scientific arguments. The only argument he gave was that Bill Clinton, the Dolly Bama and "thousands and thousands of other folks" would have had to have been in on the plot, which is not quite true. Then he said that his son's friends think that he himself belongs to the "Illuminati" ie, that because he doesn't buy into the "conspiracy theory" that he must be a part of it.

This is not true either. He may well be ignorant of certain facts himself. He may not have given the matter enough thought. It's more likely that because he works for a nationally syndicated radio show, he knows better than to go along with such "nonsense".


These type of arguments are called "straw men". They're easy to set up and easy to knock down. The only people who get fooled by them are those who haven't thought about the problems through. Most people would be unable to give an immediate response to such a challenge while on national radio unless they already had.

But the real object here is not so much to win an argumentor make the other guy look bad as it is to learn the truth.

Your object is not to convince them of the truth. You couldn't possibly do that because the truth simply isn't on your side. You can only hope to make it appear so.

You can try to wear them down and cause them to give up. You can do this by making the truth appear hopelessly complicated or by convincing them that they are totally alone in their "delusions". Or they may finally concede that the judicial system has gotten so corrupted in this country that it is useless to complain about it.

I admit that if the great majority of people are determined to have a Soviet style government in this country or a Jewish plutocracy by any other name, then there is nothing that I can do to stop it. I am convinced that the people who are moving us towards totalitarianism are so ideologically driven that they are seeking to have Marshal law in order to get their way.
They do not care whether their form of government is popularly accepted or not. They will have it anyway! Those kind of people are religious about their politics as much as any religious zealot. Those people cannot be reasoned with because they do not seek the consent of the governed.
But they know that without that consent, complete control reduces to whether they have the fire power to enforce it.

So when I assert that a select group of Jews are implicated in 9/11, I do not wish to extend culpability beyond those people specifically who were responsible for it , regardless of how many may be identified as Jewish or are associated with the Israeli government.

My personal concerns with Jews, when taken altogether, goes only as deep as their individual commitment to Talmudic Judaism. Do you see the difference? And do you see why I should feel this way?

I have nothing personal against Phil Spector. I liked "The Teddy Bears". "To Know Him is to Love Him" was one of my favorite records. I have an original copy. But should he be exonerated of murder on that account?

I look at the state he is in and cannot help but feel a touch of pity. The same thing is true about Amy Winehouse, not because I can relate to their fame and fortune, but because of their ailments and the human fragility that brought them down.

I have haven't wished it on either one of them, even while knowing that neither Phil Spector nor Amy Winehouse would have stooped to have given me the time of day.

Trouble and misfortune comes to people without anyone else having to add to it. It is a sad commentary on the human race that so many feel compelled to.

I wouldn't lift a finger to put any Jew in a concentration camp, if for no other reason than it's not worth the effort.

I'm sorry if that disappoints you. I know that you guys have a need to play the victim and to keep your wounds fresh. But you will have to look elsewhere for a villain. This one is too lazy to bother.

I have had enemies who have even done me bodily harm. I could scheme to go after them. But look at the time, energy, and money that I would have to invest. Compare that to what I would get in return.
"What doeth it?"

You confuse irritation, aggravation, and disgust, with genuine hatred.

I don't really hate you. Maybe that's why I don't really fear you. And I don't fear you for the same reason that I don't fear the government or mobsters. What they want and what I am looking for are different things. There is nothing they can do to destroy my soul. Besides, I have nothing they want. What they want they may carry with them to hell if they can.

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See above. That goes for both of you.

 

I am not even going to try to break down your gish gallop into rational blocks.

Actually, none of it is rational.

You cannot tell a rational man that Phil Specter's behavior proves that DA JOOOOOOS DONE 9/11.

Just does not work on this planet or in this time/space continuum.

 

Uhm, first off, where was I bragging about anything? You asked me a question and my reply was, and I quote:

That is what you consider bragging? Wow, way to embellish a little bit. Afraid you can't make your case without stretching the truth?

Also, I would say I don't need rehab, because my life is just the way I want it. I have a great job, loving wife, 3 bad ass kids, no mortgage, my own car, and my parents are still married! I am an anomaly in the United States. If, at any point in time, my outside activities started to affect my every day life with my family or my job I would simply curb it. That's great character assassination though. What page is that in the truther hand book? When you can't make an argument attack the arguer. I think it's page 10?

Implying that people who do recreational drugs are stupid is completely irrational. My posting style is consistent, I use proper grammar and spelling, and I source my claims with reputable\knowledgeable sources. There are truthers that come here and butcher the English language. They post from anti-semite, or websites created by morons. They peddle lies, and hate. I know which one I am more than happy to be.

Anyway, thanks for the personal attack. I love them, they really show your method of posting. Keep the fine work, Ace.

I forgot to include that many inspirational, intelligent and world changing men also enjoyed recreational drugs. Do some research. Lastly, you continue to call me plaque, despite being able to see my user ID every time you post my quotes. I, at least, call you by the proper name. That's more courtesy than you've shown me.

 

You talk about people peddling lies and hate, yet you are about as hateful as anyone can get.

I've tried to be nice to you people. I made a conciliatory gesture. So what have you done? You have heaped more insult and inflammatory language on top of all that you've already posted.
What does this reveal?

It shows two things. One is that you are not really interested in resolving the question of 9/11. Secondly it shows that you are a provocateur in addition to being a shill.

Here is a video that EVERYONE SHOULD WATCH:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfkZ1yri26s


The peanut gallery here has went on and on about the Jews, accusing me of being anti-semitic for suggesting that Israeli operatives could have been involved with 9/11 despite the fact that scores of them were rounded up in the vicinity of the WTC attacks not only with vans loaded with explosives, but also celebrating the disaster.

These Mossad agents were using a Moving Company as a front for their operations. It is noteworthy that vans of unknown origin were seen entering and leaving the premises of the WTCs in the early hours of the morning in the days preceding the attacks.
Could these vans have been from the Mossad "moving company"?
Where else?

Because I call attention to items like these, and there are many of them, these Hasbarats accuse me of being a "Nazi".

If you watch the film above you will see the evidence which is now documented that reveals that the FEMA camps which were set up were no fiction and that more importantly they were not created for disaster relief as we have been told.

Here is further corroborating evidence of what the Zionist regime in the US has in store for all who may resist the "New World Order".


http://www.infowars.com/the-true-meaning-behind-holders-response-to-rand-paul/

http://open.salon.com/blog/dennis_loo/2009/06/14/dod_training_manual_protests_are_low-level_terrorism

http://www.activistpost.com/2013/03/drone-strikes-on-americans-at-home.html


Take the ongoing efforts to ban or confiscate guns, the increased militarization of police, the effective removal of Constitutional constraints, the authorization of assassinations of US citizens on US soil, and the establishment of interment camps designated specifically for US citizens which includes the use of UN troops to incarcerate them and what do you get?

And THESE are the things which my detractors support and uphold.

They accuse folks like me of being Nazis as though we are personally responsible for what happened during WWII. At the same time they want to promote the advent of a fascist dictatorship in the US.

The unmistakeable impression they give is that they approve of fascist regimes and tactics so long as they are employed in the name of Marxism or Zionism.

What other conclusions can one draw?

And how is anyone who is not a communist or a Jew supposed to react to this kind of militancy?

 

The portion in bold is a complete falsehood.

Why can't 'truthers' tell the truth?

 

The radio transmissions and police reports which affirm them are available on the internet.

I could ask why "debunkers" can't tell the truth, but I already know.

As one item is exposed after another it becomes increasingly more difficult for them to excuse away by simple hand waving or hem hawing. So now they have to report to blatant lies.

You say that I am lying because I report what I have learned.

You can not discount this information much less disprove it. There is simply too much of it.

As layers of falsehoods pile up , the necessary contradictions inherent in lies become more exposed.

The last resort is to tell a flat out lie.

In this case, you are denying that scores of Mossad agents were rounded up and that explosives were found in their vans.

There are scads of news reports that confirm this.

You undoubtedly are aware of them.

The only conclusion which can be reached is that you are a LIAR, pure and simple.

http://newsbuster.com/Pages/exclusives/another-9-11-another-israeli-spyring.html


Anyone who sees the erosion of liberty in this country and supports it for the sake of Zionism and Israel is not a Patriot of the US. They are a loyal Zionist. Zionism, by definition, leaves no room for loyalty to anything else.

Since the US was a Republic before the Zionist coup occurred, one can only say that it is the Zionist infiltrators who are the enemies of the US. Since they are sworn enemies of the US, and since they take measures to disguise their true allegiance, they are subject to the treatment which is due to any spy according to the rules of the Geneva Convention.

-- US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring and its connections to 9 - 11.

 

Link it up. Show me a police report confirming scores of Israelis arrested possessing vans full of explosives.

 

No, we do not know it is there. Much of what you claim to have is not what you think it to be.

 

Im back as promised.ha great one.Just like I said,that video fails MISERABLY to debunk anything whatsoever.Its about as big a joke as screw loose change is which was used by plague a few months back after he got fruustrated with the contents in this video and got desperate using that video in his desperate attempts to debunk it which again,fails to address most these facts. this video at LEAST attempts to unlike screw loose change.

Like screw loose change,this video is a joke and like screw loose change doesnt debunk jack squat either.hahahaa

first off,they lie saying Bin LADEN had no ties to the CIA.every serious investigater knows that is b.s

they also lie saying the CIA did not fund alqueda as well.pitiful lie.

there was nothing mentioned in the begiining either that the highjackers had pepper spray and fake bomb vests or any of that b.s either

oh and they have no proof that the passengers fought back sense they have no proof those people boarded the plane.no arab names were on the passenger lists nor did the cameras pick them up so all that crap about them making cell phone calls fars apart as well sense they also forget to mention cell phones dont work at over 30,000 feet back them.

then they go on to lie to say that payne stewart in the year 2001 was the only plane to be interecpted at that time.complete b.s and lie.thats documented there were SEVERAL that year and it did not take 97 minutes to get to him,another pathetic lie!!!!!!! it took them only 10 minutes to intercept payne stewart.

oh and they blatantly leave out that many of the best airline pilots in the world have said they could not have made that amazing manuever the 9/11 coverup commission said those highjackers made and many have said the airliner would fall to pieces if they tried that cause its not desiged for that.pitiful lie.

they also forget to mention that OBL is not wanted by the FBI for 9/11. oh and OBL Did HAVE ties to the CIA so if he pulled off all those bombings,the CIA was behind it cause they DID fund him.pathetic lie.

they did not even try to counter the facts that the commission WAS underfunded and set up to fail and they made up lies that there were independent investigaters.those so called independent investigaters all had ties to government contracts.

those other builings they talked about that had severe fires,that was a joke as well cause it says the commssion did not mentioned buildings 3,4,5,and 6 either and they had sever fires as well,well duh,why SHOULD they have mentioned them? unlike bld 7.THOSE buildings did not collapse.miserable fail.hahahahahahahahaaa

thats als b.s that heOBL wasnt tim osman a CIA asset,thats a proven fact.

oh and it doesnt even try and counter the facts that cheney and Bush got to testify TOGETHER behind closed doors and in secret and not under oath.hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha miserable fail as well!!!!!!!!!

oh and they lost their credibilty just like this thread starter has from day one by mentioning to view screw loose change.hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaa


miserable fail on your part.that video doesnt debunk JACK SQUAT of that information in that five minute vidoe.first you FAIL miserably saying you are right and truthers are wrong with that pitiful blog which is old news that was debunked YEARS ago,and NOW confronted with those facts in that 5 minute video you CANT debunk,you refer to to this pitiful video claiming it debunks it when I just proved it does not!!!!!! no wonder you want me to go to that subject cause like I said,you keep failing getting your arse handed to you on a platter by myself and others,so you change the subject each time,no surprise,thats the strategy all you OCTAS use all the time hahahahahhahahaa

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTpYCcDDH6U


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5gC4T6v6Rc8#!

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mossad+explosives+in+van&mid=089DA6FBAAE868F50ED7089DA6FBAAE868F50ED7&view=detail&FORM=VIRE5

You can see the news clips that confirm that vans were found loaded with explosives and that Mossad agents were arrested driving them.

You have just witnessed for yourselves that the Hasbarats will even deny this.

http://wn.com/israeli_spies_caught_celebrating_9-11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EL_GdsHvkJ0#!

 

Oh brother <eyeroll>

 

The newsbusters link you provided cites two new articles about Isreali citizens being detained and deported for working without work permits. There isnt any evidence in that link about a mossad spy ring or Israeli involvement in 9 11. Do you have any evidence that such a spy ring exists? Isreali teens working at kiosks in malls without papers seems pretty benign to me.

 

Ahhh,more Gallus gallus domesticus

 

Jango, what are your thoughts on this post? Any calling out to be done?

 

Guess not.

 

Before drawing conclusions, you could have alerted me that you were addressing me in this thread (without quoting me) since I only had the two threads we are actively communicating in.

 

Long, incoherent, poorly written, full of mistakes, some truth and also lies.

 

I should add Jango, that I am the creator of that video, and everything you just listed off is false.

 

thats losing credibility right there for the OCTA'S.official conspiracy theory apologists are the ones that have proven everyday sense being here,are the ones incapable of telling the truth as demosntrated on this whole thread.

 

excellent post.well said.stands up and gives standing ovation.

excellent job of exposing his posts..could not have said it better myself.

 

one more thing I forgot to mention how this video is full of lies and falls flat on its face just like the thread starter and and all the OCTA's here have that have come on here posting lie after lie,the video also goes on to LIE and say that Barry Jennings said he was puzzled that conpiracy theorists said he believed bombs went off or something like that calling them a bunch of conspiracy theorists.COMPLETE LIE AND TOTAL B.S.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jennings clearly said in his initital interview, he heard EXPLOSIONS going on in the basement and they occured BEFORE the towers fell in the morning.obviously mistimes explosions which happened in the trade towers as well.

there is a video out there that shows black smoke rising from the BASE of the towers and you hear explosions going on at the same time way before the towers collapsed which backs up witnesses claims that they heard explosions in the basement before the towers fell which the OCTA'S always in their desperate attempts when they are losing arguments,like to claim they are lying.the OCTA'S again are the ones exposed at LYING.not the witnesses.

But Not only did Jennings say all that,he also told in an interview in a video done,that when he heard the 9/11 commissions report that fires brought dwon the towers,he could not believe it,He said that didnt make any sense.

the proof is in the pudding right here matter of fact.that I am telling the truth and this thread starter is lying and has since day one when he first started this thread.

Holston,Jango,RtWngefraud,have you all viewed that propaganda piece video that this thread starter posted? you saw all those lies that I mentioned that video tells for yourself didnt you? that video fails as miserably as screw loose change does to try and debunk that 5 minute video.at least unlike screw loose change though,it at LEAST trys to debunk it.it shouldnt have tried though since it fell flat on its face resorting to lying in its desperate attempts to try.

I also cant stop laughing over the logic they used that the 9/11 commissions did not talk about the collapses of buildings 3, 4,5, and 6 as well talking about they had severe fires as well.those buildings did not collapse unlike building 7 so WHY would they talk about them? hahahahahahaha

that video actually debunks itself because there were other buildings in the are much closer that had far more severe fires that bld 7 yet they did not collapse and they also ignore the only 3 builings that DID collapse that day were ALL owned by zionist jew Larry silverstein who proffited very handsomely from the attacks.hee hee.
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MISERABLY fail by the thread starter to debunk that video.

 

No, he didn't.

 

solid irrefutable proof this thread starter posts videos and infomation full of LIES and is NOT committed to the truth and I DO tell the truth.He posted a video that said Barry Jennings called truthers conspiracy theorists-a lie.lets see the VIDEO where Barry says that.there isnt one cause he never said that.

However I am telling the truth because "I" have proof that video in its pathetic desperate attempts to try and counter the facts presented in that 5 minute video lies saying Jennings called 9/11 truthers a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists or something like that.

He clearly here is saying that he thought the 9/11 commmissions explanations of the fires causing the collapse was bogus and made no sense at all ignoring what he said initially that he heard EXPLOSIONS

miserably fail by the octas in their lying attempts to try and slander THE TRUTH!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCRK2oITL3g