Support for same sex marriage at an all time high

No, I'm not talking about money being able to influence votes. I'm talking about a pure popular vote up or down for or against gay marriage. Nice try though... If the numbers are "there" like the title of this thread suggests, no worries, right? Instead, you want the decision of marriage to be placed in the money-bribed hands of your carefully-selected caretakers. Prop 8 taught you the lesson that you can't even believe your own polling. And so, you want to take the power to determine Our collective social destiny and get some soulless goons [politicians] to shove it through behind our backs.

The standard that says sex is a function of reproduction. And the standard that said the anus evolved as part of the GI tract, not the reproductive organs. And as such, the anus and trying to have sex with it is causing one of the most alarming irreversible epidemics in the US. 2% of all men are gay and yet that tiny subclass accounts for 65% of all HIV/AIDS cases in the US. And it is deviant in the sense that teaching our youngsters by example that having sex with an anus is desireable, healthy or good is reckless, irresponsible and is leading to their deaths. In very recent years, concurrent with the media blitz pushing "gay is OK" to youngsters, the group that now has pulled ahead in demographics for the largest number of new HIV cases is boys ages 13-29.

Monkey see, monkey do. It is a deviant society that models for its youth that using the GI tract for sex is OK by removing the taboo and allowing it to "marry". That society is going downhill fast if it turns a blind eye to basic facts in favor of bribes, reverse bullying or political-correctness.

"Let's kill our kids so we don't have to feel bad if gays threaten suicide if they don't get to play-act opposite genders in marriage" Wow are we dumb.

BTW, why is it that gay couples, lesbian or men, always have one partner that looks feminine and one that looks masculine? Hmmm... I wonder if there are deeper issues afoot than "born that way"?

We'll never know though since gays took over the American Psychological Association and have declared themselves "perfectly sane...nothing to see here...we're totally healthy!" > http://www.politicalforum.com/opini...on-constitution-itself-via-doma-prop-8-a.html

 

If you are unable to get the number of signatures necessary for a referendum, that seems to be a pretty good indicator that the majority either do not agree with you or don't care. So you end up a minority either way.

The proliferation of pro-gay politicians indicates there are no worries anyway. We are not obligated (either legally or morally) to accommodate you. If you want a referendum, the recourse is there to make it happen...assuming you can find enough people to agree with you. Good luck with that.

You could stop it if you wanted to. If there really are so many homo-hating people out there, you should have no problem getting the signatures together for a referendum, right? Better get to it.

 

Thanks for advertising how your cabal works. I imagine the dissolving of the People's Power to determine their own social norms is much like when you guys dissolved science in favor of gay politics in the American
Psychological Association.? [see post at top]..

I always like it when schemers brag. They get so overwhelmed, so filled with hubris at recent victories >> http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/291578-standing-up-vatican.html << that they fancy themselves invicible. And like bad "B" actors in a crappy drama script, they begin telling their victims all the fine details of how they were deceived, believing they are so omnipotent as their victim buckles before them, that a hero will never show up with the light of truth to save the day...

Carry on Sadistic. Well chosen name by the way...

 

I had no idea you spoke for all Americans now instead of their elected representatives...when did that happen?

I agree. And I like alliterative names. They are easy to remember.

You have the power to change things if as many people really agree with you as you claim...so what is stopping you?

 

I understand. "Constituents" ceases to have meaning with an official takes office...and bribes....and orders from his main funders in his campaign...

National referendum. Are you scared? Surely the numbers that brought us the title to this thread will fall in your favor? Just like they did with Prop 8 when you predicted its "certain defeat". "Fake it till we make it" seems to be your mantra. Yet you didn't make it in the most left wingnut state in the union...just as you wouldn't if there was a national referendum with every brainwashed young "pro gay-marriage" voter casting their vote. It would still lose soundly.

 

I guess you are pretty screwed then huh?

Why would I be scared? You cannot even get enough signatures to put it on a ballot...nevermind it passing.

 

Rachel Maddow's next chapter of "Hubris" should be that on the far left. Thank you for your demonstration.

 

It must be very aggravating for you that people like me never get our comeuppance.

 

you realize that 3 states just voted FOR same sex marriage in the last election right?

 

I do not need to go over it, I'm right. Morality is not subjective except to those who seek justification for their wrong assed ideas. What I think is actually what I know. If I thought that gay marriage is wrong then that would be subjective. But since I know gay marriage is wrong it is then a moral absolute, which of course, it is.

 

That does not make it right, only accepted, there is a difference. I'll ignore the Christophobic rant.

 

I support it. In my case it's as they are reporting, everybody knows someone who is gay or has a gay relative, blah, blah, blah...

 

To those asking what the harm is...

You're making us into a nation of pansies.

 

You think I'm wrong, which of course is wrong.

 

Based upon what standard?

 

Based upon conscience and self evident truth.

 

That's a non-answer. Because my conscience and self evident truth tells me you're self-evidently wrong.

 

No actually it's not.

Why? Because so very often society changes, new things are learned, and new perspectives blossom.

It's called change, and it in fact the only constant thing in life.

 

except you're not.

we've been over this. your perceived morality or what you find perverse is subjective. nobody cares what you think. thankfully, we live in america, where nobody is subject to your perceived version of morality, except you.

 

And you are clearly a liar. Anybody who says that it's normal for two people of the same gender to fool around sexually are themselves as perverted, perhaps worse for attempting to justify or normalize a clear abdication of standards of moral human conduct.

 

That's funny. And stupid. "It's inherently obvious" is probably the silliest debate strategy I've ever seen. So answer my original question. Based on what standard??

 

Making an ass of yourself is quite the tactic. You have not come to be via sexual perversion. Yet you seek standards? Check your roots, your conscience or even those like myself who remind you of the standard. You have no excuse and no place to hide your absolute self indulgent lusts.

 

So what? You are aware that people have sex for pleasure, yes? With no desire to reproduce? In fact, with the desire to NOT reproduce? And many times, those recreational sexual encounters are done by people of the same gender, and nobody is harmed as a result. Quite the contrary, a good time is had by all.

Absolutely. You've made a declarative statement with nothing backing it up aside from "it's inherently obvious". Except when I look, it's not so obvious to me. So you're going to have to do better than that.